Mideast Peace 2.0

[Shilohsfoal]

On 9/12/2020 at 6:11 AM, Diaste said:

While it's true there was a fulfillment it was 170 years before Christ gave the sermon on the Mount. 

I'm not saying Daniel 9:27 is yet to be fulfilled as we know about Antiochus IV and that is documented in great detail. 

What I have said in the past is we are told by Jesus to look to Daniel for the information about another A of D. Jesus did not say, "As spoken of by Daniel the prophet in the 12th chapter."

So everything that is spoken about the A of D in Daniel is valid information for the coming "abomination of desolation (detestable thing causing desolation), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not," as Jesus instructed and gave spiritual blessing for understanding.

If we are told this info in Daniel is valid for another A of D that will occur some 3.5 years (?) before the return of Jesus then the details of that event are also valid for the future.

It is true then that a duplicate event can indeed occur.

The A of D doesn't take place 3 1/2 years before the coming of Christ. It takes place At the time of the resurrection which would be at the time of Christ. 

Would you like to see how this is confirmed using both Christ's and Daniel words combined? 

 

After coming to an understanding of this you can understand both the earthquake and the cloud which the two witnesses ascend into heaven in are effects caused by the abomination of desolation which the armed forces place in Jerusalem. 

[Shilohsfoal]

On 9/11/2020 at 3:12 PM, WilliamL said:

So then you are suggesting that Jerusalem and a rebuilt sanctuary will be destroyed, and blood sacrifices cut off, in 3-1/2 years or so?

I'll wager a bundle against that happening.

Daniel never said what the daily sacrifice was or to whom this sacrifice is made. He did say the prophecy is sealed till the time of the end. Personally I don't believe the time of the end (when the resurrection takes place) was in 167 bc. 

I would make a bet that within a few years the Israeli draft will be abolished. That being thier sacrifice to Moloch(a semetic word for King). 

It would be abolished after a king in the north offers a host to Israel for its defence. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Shilohsfoal

[Firebirdman55]

I’ve been watching this today. Could this really be the beginning of the fulfillment of THE covenant with many? 

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The A of D doesn't take place 3 1/2 years before the coming of Christ. It takes place At the time of the resurrection which would be at the time of Christ. 

Would you like to see how this is confirmed using both Christ's and Daniel words combined? 

Sure. 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Sure. 

OK, first we understand the Gentiles shall occupy Jerusalem for 42 months. 

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-2.htm

Daniel tells us these Gentiles shall accomplish two things in Daniel 11:31.They will abolish the daily sacrifice and place the abomination of desolation. 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/11-31.htm

According to Daniel, there are 1290 days between these two events(42 months). 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-11.htm

Jesus tells us that when the abomination of desolation is placed there will be great distress, the likes of which have never been seen. 

https://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/24-21.htm

As you know, Jesus often repeats what other prophets have said. In this case he repeated Daniel when Daniel had written that at that time there would be distress, the likes of which have never been seen. 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/12-1.htm

Daniel also said the resurrection would take place at that time which would put the event at the time of the second coming and not 42 months prior when the Gentiles from the north begin thier occupation. 

Jesus also said those in Judea would flee when they see the abomination of desolation which is another important clue as to when the abomination of desolation is placed. Zechariah prophecies they would flee on the day of the Lord when the Lord comes. Not 42 months prior. 

https://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-5.htm

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by Shilohsfoal

[iamlamad]

46 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

OK, first we understand the Gentiles shall occupy Jerusalem for 42 months. 

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-2.htm

Daniel tells us these Gentiles shall accomplish two things in Daniel 11:31.They will abolish the daily sacrifice and place the abomination of desolation. 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/11-31.htm

According to Daniel, there are 1290 days between these two events(42 months). 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-11.htm

Jesus tells us that when the abomination of desolation is placed there will be great distress, the likes of which have never been seen. 

https://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/24-21.htm

As you know, Jesus often repeats what other prophets have said. In this case he repeated Daniel when Daniel had written that at that time there would be distress, the likes of which have never been seen. 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/12-1.htm

Daniel also said the resurrection would take place at that time which would put the event at the time of the second coming and not 42 months prior when the Gentiles from the north begin thier occupation. 

Jesus also said those in Judea would flee when they see the abomination of desolation which is another important clue as to when the abomination of desolation is placed. Zechariah prophecies they would flee on the day of the Lord when the Lord comes. Not 42 months prior. 

https://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-5.htm

 

You have many problems here, but you would not believe it.

Daniel tells us these Gentiles shall accomplish two things in Daniel 11:31.They will abolish the daily sacrifice and place the abomination of desolation.  This was fulfilled with Antiochus. Many bible scholars believe Dan. 11 does not arrive at the Beast of Rev. 13 until verse 36.

Edited September 16, 2020 by iamlamad

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

You have many problems here, but you would not believe it.

Daniel tells us these Gentiles shall accomplish two things in Daniel 11:31.They will abolish the daily sacrifice and place the abomination of desolation.  This was fulfilled with Antiochus. Many bible scholars believe Dan. 11 does not arrive at the Beast of Rev. 13 until verse 36.

You say I have many problems and have pointed out none. 

The Pharisees claimed it was fulfilled by Antiochus and many believe thier interpretation of Daniel. I'm not inclined to believe the time of the end was in 167 bc nor do I believe the Pharisees could see. I believe the Pharisees were blind leaders of the blind. 

You believe they were wise men who understood Daniels prophecy. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-10.htm

 

No how do you suppose the Pharisees and those who followed them were purified and washed clean? 

Exactly how fo you say those Pharisees in 167 bc were made clean? 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/11-35.htm

Edited September 16, 2020 by Shilohsfoal

[iamlamad]

22 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You say I have many problems and have pointed out none. 

The Pharisees claimed it was fulfilled by Antiochus and many believe thier interpretation of Daniel. I'm not inclined to believe the time of the end was in 167 bc nor do I believe the Pharisees could see. I believe the Pharisees were blind leaders of the blind. 

You believe they were wise men who understood Daniels prophecy. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-10.htm

 

No how do you suppose the Pharisees and those who followed them were purified and washed clean? 

Exactly how fo you say those Pharisees in 167 bc were made clean? 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/11-35.htm

I pointed out one, and as I said, you would not believe it. Don't bring the Pharisees into it. They are history. many TODAY believe the change from history to the future is verse 36. However, many of the commentators still think verse 36 refers to Antiochus. Question: is there a verse anywhere that shows the Antichrist Beast as a king? 

Question 2: Where do you divide chapter 11 between history and future? What verse do YOU choose? 

Do you DOUBT history - that Antiochus slew a pig on the altar?

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I pointed out one, and as I said, you would not believe it. Don't bring the Pharisees into it. They are history. many TODAY believe the change from history to the future is verse 36. However, many of the commentators still think verse 36 refers to Antiochus. Question: is there a verse anywhere that shows the Antichrist Beast as a king? 

Question 2: Where do you divide chapter 11 between history and future? What verse do YOU choose? 

Do you DOUBT history - that Antiochus slew a pig on the altar?

Yes, the Pharisees taught that Antiochus placed the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem and said that abomination that caused desolation was a man killing a pig. 

I don't doubt that Antiochus killed a pig but what I doubt is the Pharisees interpretation that this was the abomination that causes desolation. 

According to Daniel the abomination of desolation is placed by the armed forces. According to Jesus it is a sign to watch for concerning the time of the end and his coming. 

So here we have conflicting messages that do not agree with the Pharisees teaching concerning the abomination of desolation. 

But there is another thing you are ignoring. According to Daniel, after the daily sacrifice is abolished. Those who understand are purified and made clean. 

So it raises a question. We know there is no forgiveness of sin without the offering of blood. If this was in fact fulfilled in 170bc as you say, then what was thier offering for sin that made them clean after the daily sacrifice was abolished? 

 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/11-35.htm

 

Edited September 16, 2020 by Shilohsfoal

[Revelation Man]

15 hours ago, Firebirdman55 said:

I’ve been watching this today. Could this really be the beginning of the fulfillment of THE covenant with many? 

No, the Covenant with MANY happens after the Rapture, but the "Framework" is already in place via the European Neighborhood Policy which can be found on a Wiki page by that name. 

What we are seeing today is a MUST NEEDS Agreement between Israel and her neighbors because not one of Israels bordering neighbors are seen in the Gog & Magog war.

 

 

So, the Gog & Magog war pretty much includes Russia, Turkey and Iran with some North African Nations mixed in, probably to give them the appearance of a multi lateral movement, we all now its just the three main forces that count here. 

Who is not in this war? Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon nor Saudi Arabia etc. etc. So, why? Because of these Agreements, the Abraham Accord(s). (For all intense purposes Saudi Arabia is a Border Nation just as much as Egypt is.)

When Ezekiel 38 says that Israel will have UNWALLED VILLAGES, it simple means Peace, Israel are not going to tear down their walls, its simply a metaphoric statement that they have Peace with their immediate neighbors. Ans the point is brought home by the nations we see involved in the Ezekiel 38 war. 

In order for Gog & Magog to happen in just the specific way it does, without Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt or Saudi Arabia there had to be a Peace Agreement (Abraham Accord) wherein the Nations seek to abide as friends, and thus they will not attack Israel when these others attack. Thus the bible is as always 100 percent correct. This Abram Accord has ZERO to do with the Covenant with MANY.