Michael vs Satan

[Michael37]

19 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

I would assume you're referring to Gen 37 about Joseph's dream.    If so, the Sun, Moon and Stars in his dream were analogy not to be taken literally that is Mother, Father and 11 Brothers are the Sun, Moon, and Stars...hence it was a dream.   Dreams are most often symbolic in the bible.  It symbolized his Mother, Father and his 11 brothers bowing down to him after he had become ruler of Egypt.

Yes, and symbolism, metaphor, personification, allegory, types, shadows and other representations are not confined to dreams and visions. As you are aware many threads involve opinions about whether a thing is figurative or literal.

I believe 1 Corinthians 15:40-41 to be literal, and the stars mentioned are not to be thought of as angels or as symbols of brothers or tribes as elsewhere.

1Co 15:40-41  There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.  (41)  There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

However, back to the war between Michael and Satan, while Satan is still the prince of the power of the air, and he and his cohort still inhabit the earth's atmospheric heaven, I believe according to Scripture they have been cast out of the higher heavenly realms.

Eph 2:2  in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,

[Desopixi Seilynam]

3 hours ago, Michael37 said:

There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

The stars are other lights high up in the sky, similar to the sun and moon, they are lights, not planets. 

Lights to give light upon the land, for signs and seasons and days and years. A giant clock. Genesis 1:14-15

In Joshua 10:12-14 when the sun and moon stopped, the progression of day time stopped, the day was longer, because the clock stopped for a while.

 

"The sky which is hard as a molten looking glass"  Job 37:18

"No man has ascended up into heaven, except he that came down from heaven" John 3:13

Elijah was taken up into heaven by a chariot that first came down from heaven.

Nas[h]a in Hebrew means 'to deceive'.

 

The ideas of 'asteroids/comments' and 'aliens' will be used to mask and muddy end time events that happen.

Instead of realizing that Revelation 8 and 9 are happening people will believe that the events are just 'random' 'asteroids' and 'aliens' from 'outer-space'.

 

Surely I am more stupid than any man, and have not the understanding of a man ..

Who has ascended up to heaven or descended?  ...

What is His name, and what is His Sons name, if you know it?  Proverbs 30:2-4. 

[Michael37]

20 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

The stars are other lights high up in the sky, similar to the sun and moon, they are lights, not planets. 

Indeed, @Desopixi Seilynam, although the moon is a satellite and as you know is capable only of reflecting light from the sun.

Some more interesting Scriptures that relate to the celestial sphere. Even today, the power of stars over human destiny is still a concept that exponents of astrology and horoscopes adhere to. 

2Ki 23:4-5  And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, the priests of the second order, and the doorkeepers, to bring out of the temple of the LORD all the articles that were made for Baal, for Asherah, and for all the host of heaven; and he burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried their ashes to Bethel.  (5)  Then he removed the idolatrous priests whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense on the high places in the cities of Judah and in the places all around Jerusalem, and those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun, to the moon, to the constellations, and to all the host of heaven.

Job 9:7-9  He commands the sun, and it does not rise; He seals off the stars;  (8)  He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;  (9)  He made the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, And the chambers of the south;

Job 38:31-33  "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,  Or loose the belt of Orion?  (32)  Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?  (33)  Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth?

Amo 5:8  He made the Pleiades and Orion; He turns the shadow of death into morning And makes the day dark as night; He calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth; The LORD is His name.

Psa 147:1-5  Praise the LORD! For it is good to sing praises to our God; For it is pleasant, and praise is beautiful.  (2)  The LORD builds up Jerusalem; He gathers together the outcasts of Israel.  (3)  He heals the brokenhearted And binds up their wounds.  (4)  He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by name.  (5)  Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

18 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

although the moon is a satellite and as you know is capable only of reflecting light from the sun.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light." Matthew 24:29

One can use an infrared thermometer to measure the temperature of light.

One can measure the temperature of moon light and see that it is cooler than even the shaded spots at night.

As the Bible says, the moon gives off its own light.

 

 

Enoch 1:1 

"The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation," !

Enoch 80:7-8

"The whole order of the stars shall be concealed from the sinners, and they shall error concerning them, and take them as gods"

[Michael37]

9 minutes ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

As the Bible says, the moon gives off its own light.

Yes, because it is a reflector of light. During an eclipse it obscures the sun and is visible only as a black object.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

3 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Yes, because it is a reflector of light. During an eclipse it obscures the sun and is visible only as a black object.

Ok dear one.

The Bible says the stars will fall, as figs fall from a tree. It will happen, and the sky will roll back as a scroll, and we all will see what is beyond it.

[Michael37]

1 minute ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Ok dear one.

The Bible says the stars will fall, as figs fall from a tree. It will happen, and the sky will roll back as a scroll, and we all will see what is beyond it.

Yes. I like the imagery of falling figs. Like most ripe fruit when their time on the tree is up, down they fall. 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

19 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Yes. I like the imagery of falling figs. Like most ripe fruit when their time on the tree is up, down they fall. 

He is not comparing something imaginary.  He is comparing something real (Stars) falling and comparing that to how figs fall which is also a real.  Its called an analogy used for teaching.   The key is the word LIKE or AS used to compare.  Stars Falling are LIKE or AS Figs falling.  The word of God is LIKE,  The Kingdom of God is LIKE, etc.... Your making the false idea just because Jesus used analogies/parables to teach that somehow all scriptures are metaphors and cannot to be taken literally or trusted or at least you pick and choose what you want to consider true or a metaphor.  Is creation a metaphor not to be taken literally?  Was Jesus birth, death and resurrection a metaphor?  Is the resurrection a metaphor?  Is heaven/hell just a metaphor?  Maybe God is a metaphor?  Your problem is, you trust in mans wisdom/science over God's word.  Scientist are smarter than God, right?  You think, if the scriptures contradict scientist or something you find hard to believe it must be taken as a metaphor.  It's called the false doctrine of accommodation of where you take God's word and nullify it and to make fit a false science narrative.  Its called trusting in Man and not God.

We are to take all scriptures as literal and true unless the scriptures themselves state it is an analogy or dream?  Yet analogies and dreams in the scriptures are describing something that is real. 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Michael37]

7 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

He is not comparing something imaginary.

What? The word I used was imagery. If you don't know what imagery is I am happy to enlighten you. It is when an object or thing is used to create a picture that adds extra meaning. In this case rather than just saying the stars will fall, the image of ripe figs falling is added. The study of imagery use in the Bible is a rewarding exercise. 

The imagery of a jedi that accompanies your user name tells me you are a star wars fan, @Jedi4Yahweh 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

11 hours ago, Michael37 said:

What? The word I used was imagery. If you don't know what imagery is I am happy to enlighten you. It is when an object or thing is used to create a picture that adds extra meaning. In this case rather than just saying the stars will fall, the image of ripe figs falling is added. The study of imagery use in the Bible is a rewarding exercise. 

The imagery of a jedi that accompanies your user name tells me you are a star wars fan, @Jedi4Yahweh 

Okay maybe I misunderstood you.  I have ran into many gnostic teachings that say pretty much all the scriptures are figurative and not to be taken literally to include such things as creation, miracles, resurrection, etc...  I still stand on:

We are to take all scriptures as literal and true unless the scriptures themselves state it is an analogy or dream?  Yet analogies and dreams in the scriptures are describing something that is real. 

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh