Jesus' marraige feast parable proves a post trib rapture!

[JohnR7]

2 hours ago, Moby said:

Father will provide

He provides but sometimes I forget where I put it. We do not have a basement or an attic that can be used for storage. So we just have to stuff things where we can find a place to put them. 

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

 The marriage does not take place in chapter 19; it has already been accomplished by then.

19:7 ...for the marriage of the Lamb came, and His wife made herself ready.

That is why the focus of the chapter is on the imminent marriage supper, not the marriage, which is spoken of in a past tense.

Sorry, but that is only wishful thinking. All through Revelation, things happen right where John mentions them. The marriage will take place in the timing of chapter 19, AS will the marriage supper. 

The Greek word behind "is come" is also used in these verses: It is an aorist verb. Of this type of verb Strongs tells us:

Is characterized by its emphasis on punctiliar action; that is, the concept of the verb is considered without regard for past, present, or future time. There is no direct or clear English equivalent for this tense,

In other words, this kind of a verb has no timing information.

 Mat 2:8

And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come ^G2064 and worship him also.

This is future in English

Mat 3:14

But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest ^G2064 thou to me?

This is present tense in English.

 Mat 6:10

Thy kingdom come. ^G2064 Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Here it is future tense.

[The Light]

On 9/18/2020 at 9:45 AM, Moby said:

So lets see if we can find some more clues as to how long “the day of the Lord” is:

Jeremiah 46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Isaiah 34:8 For Jehovah has a day of vengeance, the year of recompense for the cause of Zion.

Isaiah 61:2 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor, the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isaiah 63:4 For the day of vengeance was in my heart, the year of my redeemed is come.

From those 4 passages above we can conclude “the day of the Lord” is also called “the day of vengeance of our God” to proclaim “the year of the Lord’s favor” that He also declares is “the year of recompense” and the “year of the His redeemed” when he pours out His wrath which comes  after the tribulation is over and the sun and moon are darkened:

 

 

 

Okay, Moby, you deserve credit here. In all my years I have never heard anyone say that God's wrath lasted one year. I believed that it lasted for 3.5 years as there is a time, times and half a time in Daniel 12, which seemed to happen after a resurrection where many are raised from the dead. We both agree that the week is over before the wrath of God begins, but your 1 year wrath of God is not something I have ever seen.

What leads me to conclude you could be correct that the wrath of God lasts one year? First off, you have scriptural support that it lasts for one year. But there are always arguments about what is said and what is being talked about, and what it applies to etc., etc., such as the restrainer being removed and all the different interpretations. That said, from what I am reading, there is a one year period where the bride and groom stay home after the 7 days of feasting.

[JohnR7]

On 9/17/2020 at 7:44 AM, Moby said:

Our Father sent His servants to invite the OT Jews to the marriage feast first.

According to John the Baptist they are the "friend" of the groom: "The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete". (John 3:29) 

This is why Jesus teaches them: "So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach". (Matthew 23:3)

Even today the teaching of the conservative Rabbi involved over 600 commandments they tell people to observe and follow.  The people that follow these commandments are very much waiting for the messiah. 

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

when he pours out His wrath which comes  after the tribulation is over and the sun and moon are darkened:

The passage in Isaiah took place when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. This does have meaning for the church today though. The church age comes to an end around 2029 ad. Maybe the church will still be around and the manifest sons (daughters) of God will gradually take over for the church up until 2070 ad. Just like the temple was still standing in Jerusalem until 70 AD. 

[Moby]

13 hours ago, The Light said:

Okay, Moby, you deserve credit here. In all my years I have never heard anyone say that God's wrath lasted one year. I believed that it lasted for 3.5 years as there is a time, times and half a time in Daniel 12, which seemed to happen after a resurrection where many are raised from the dead. We both agree that the week is over before the wrath of God begins, but your 1 year wrath of God is not something I have ever seen.

What leads me to conclude you could be correct that the wrath of God lasts one year? First off, you have scriptural support that it lasts for one year. But there are always arguments about what is said and what is being talked about, and what it applies to etc., etc., such as the restrainer being removed and all the different interpretations. That said, from what I am reading, there is a one year period where the bride and groom stay home after the 7 days of feasting.

Thank you Light but I must give credit to this link where that section was copied out of:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

I notice you mentioned the "restrainer" and was curious if you took a look at this link from that website where I got the link above:

https://sumofthyword.com/2017/01/18/the-mystery-of-lawlessness/

[Moby]

12 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

According to John the Baptist they are the "friend" of the groom: "The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete". (John 3:29) 

This is why Jesus teaches them: "So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach". (Matthew 23:3)

Even today the teaching of the conservative Rabbi involved over 600 commandments they tell people to observe and follow.  The people that follow these commandments are very much waiting for the messiah. 

Actually Jesus is referring to a certain portion of the NT church as "friends" as this part of that parable suggests where the King was speaking directly to one of those from the "partings of the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage feast" after the King destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD:

Matthew 22:7-14  But the king was wroth; and he sent his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned their city(Jerusalem).  (8)  Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they that were bidden were not worthy.  (9)  Go ye therefore unto the partings of the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage feast.  (10)  And those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was filled with guests.  (11)  But when the king came in to behold the guests, he saw there a man who had not on a wedding-garment:  (12)  and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding-garment? And he was speechless.  (13)  Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and cast him out into the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.  (14)  For many are called, but few chosen.

Yes Jesus' disciples were all called to the wedding as potential "100 fold" ~ "gold" ~ "sun" ~ "bride" but Judas Iscariot fell away to a "friend" who then lost his wedding garment through betrayal of Jesus:

Matthew 26:47-50  And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.  (48)  Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that is he: take him.  (49)  And straightway he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, Rabbi; and kissed him.  (50)  And Jesus said unto him, Friend, do that for which thou art come. Then they came and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.

Acts 1:16-26  Brethren, it was needful that the scripture should be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spake before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who was guide to them that took Jesus.  (17)  For he was numbered among us, and received his portion in this ministry.  (18)  (Now this man obtained a field with the reward of his iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.  (19)  And it became known to all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch that in their language that field was called Akeldama, that is, The field of blood.)  (20)  For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be made desolate, And let no man dwell therein: and, His office let another take.  (21)  Of the men therefore that have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and went out among us,  (22)  beginning from the baptism of John, unto the day that he was received up from us, of these must one become a witness with us of his resurrection.  (23)  And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.  (24)  And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show of these two the one whom thou hast chosen,  (25)  to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.  (26)  And they gave lots for them; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

 

 

[iamlamad]

On 9/21/2020 at 7:17 PM, Moby said:

Father is taking the whole church through a tribulation to prove them just as He did His people when he had Moses lead Israel into their wilderness:

https://sumofthyword.com/2016/10/04/the-rapture-of-the-church-is-after-the-tribulation/

Yes I am preparing by coming out of this world and claiming all the promises by faith:

2 Corinthians 6:16-7:1  And what agreement hath a temple of God with idols? for we are a temple of the living God; even as God said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.  (17)  Wherefore Come ye out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, And touch no unclean thing; And I will receive you,  (18)  And will be to you a Father, And ye shall be to me sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. (7:1)  Having therefore these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

In a tiny way this is true, for the bible teaches us that the entire CHURCH AGE is tribulation, and if people will receive it, since it is around 2000 years of daily "tribulations" the church age is called "the great tribulation," just not the days of GT Jesus spoke of. (See Rev. 7)
in other words:

There is tribulation - the devil hates us becaues he hated Jesus.
There is great tribulation - any time people are martyred, "tribulation" is great: it could not get any greater for them.
There is great tribulation  - for the entire church age.
There is great tribulation promised to the harlot (Rev. 2) in the early church if she did not repent
There will be "days" of "great tribulation" that Jesus spoke of - greater than ANY OTHER.

[The Light]

17 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

The passage in Isaiah took place when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. This does have meaning for the church today though. The church age comes to an end around 2029 ad. Maybe the church will still be around and the manifest sons (daughters) of God will gradually take over for the church up until 2070 ad. Just like the temple was still standing in Jerusalem until 70 AD. 

What passage are you referring to?

[The Light]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

In a tiny way this is true, for the bible teaches us that the entire CHURCH AGE is tribulation, and if people will receive it, since it is around 2000 years of daily "tribulations" the church age is called "the great tribulation," just not the days of GT Jesus spoke of. (See Rev. 7)
in other words:

There is tribulation - the devil hates us becaues he hated Jesus.
There is great tribulation - any time people are martyred, "tribulation" is great: it could not get any greater for them.
There is great tribulation  - for the entire church age.
There is great tribulation promised to the harlot (Rev. 2) in the early church if she did not repent
There will be "days" of "great tribulation" that Jesus spoke of - greater than ANY OTHER.

You have quite an imagination.