Suicide And Heaven

[HAZARD]

18 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

Judas never truly believed. He was looking for another messiah that was going to take kingship because he was a Zealot = militant Jew. Once he knew Jesus wasn't going to do this, he lost all the so-called 'faith' he ever had. Oh, he regretted betraying "innocent blood" alright. Was it repentance? Hardly. 

Scriptures plainly teach that Judas was a genuine disciple or follower of Christ who fell from his apostleship and lost his salvation through his sin. To teach otherwise is to simply misrepresent or misunderstand the Scriptures. Jesus Himself said that the Father gave Judas to Him but that He had lost him (John 17:12). Judas chose to be a disciple (Luke 9:23; 14:27), then Jesus chose him to be an apostle (Luke 6:13; John 6:70), but then Judas fell from his apostleship by his choice to transgress (Acts 1:25).

He is even called His familiar friend Psalm 41:9.  Judas lost both his salvation and apostleship through sin.

The Holy Spirit through Luke records that Judas "By Transgression Fell" (Acts 1:15-25). If men would be as anxious to believe the Holy Spirit as they are to believe men, and if they would be as anxious to believe all Scriptures as they claim to believe some they would show some consistency and honesty regarding the whole Word of God.

Judas not only had a moral fall but sin caused it. He was not always a "devil" and a "thief." He became both after he had been saved for some time.

His weakness was the love of money and this caused his fall, "This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein." (John 12:6), "And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money." (Luke 22:5).

He had seen Christ escape many times and he no doubt thought the Lord would escape again and he would be the richer. it was not until the end of Christs ministry that Judas began to pilfer and to grow cold in his love of Christ. At the last supper he became united with the devil. He broke with Christ and sought opportunity to betray Him.

[BeauJangles]

3 minutes ago, leah777 said:

To go ahead with suicide plans is very hard, the person is often in deep despair, pain, not thinking clearly and in grief, terrible grief over their situation. Some say they thought they were being unselfish, relieving their family and friends of a burden. its is complex and multi faceted.

Yes. 

4 minutes ago, leah777 said:

My belief, from speaking and helping those who have been suicidal, is that their mind is disturbed.

As someone who has taken it to this level, I consider it to be in the utmost depth of despair and "emotionally troubled". 

[HAZARD]

Anyone who is mentally disturbed in any way will be judged rightly by God. Those who self murder for other reasons will also be judged accordingly, for example. I personally knew a man who secretly cheated on his wife with many women and he also sexually interfered with his own young daughter for may years, who was finally caught out. Police were contacted by his family and just before they arrived he had killed himself. Did he repent?? I doubt it. I believe he was frightened of the public and family humiliation and other consequences.

Edited October 6, 2020 by HAZARD

[BeauJangles]

4 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Anyone who is mentally disturbed in any way will be judged rightly by God.

We all have to give an account of some sort or another before the Lord. When the books are opened however, it will either indicate our sins are forgiven or not. This would be on whether our faith in Jesus is the Messiah, Son of the Most High God. The blood of Christ is appropriated for this. Or, on your call is inefficient for sin. As a reminder, there is only one unforgivable and/or unpardonable sin. That is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. I still feel a truly born again Christian will never commit this. Thanks for your time. I'm now excusing myself from this convo. Have a pleasant evening. 

[HAZARD]

2 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

We all have to give an account of some sort or another before the Lord. When the books are opened however, it will either indicate our sins are forgiven or not. This would be on whether our faith in Jesus is the Messiah, Son of the Most High God. The blood of Christ is appropriated for this. Or, on your call is inefficient for sin. As a reminder, there is only one unforgivable and/or unpardonable sin. That is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. I still feel a truly born again Christian will never commit this. Thanks for your time. I'm now excusing myself from this convo. Have a pleasant evening. 

Thanks Beau, 

[Marathoner]

4 minutes ago, BeauJangles said:

We all have to give an account of some sort or another before the Lord. When the books are opened however, it will either indicate our sins are forgiven or not. This would be on whether our faith in Jesus is the Messiah, Son of the Most High God. The blood of Christ is appropriated for this. Or, on your call is inefficient for sin. As a reminder, there is only one unforgivable and/or unpardonable sin. That is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. I still feel a truly born again Christian will never commit this. Thanks for your time. I'm now excusing myself from this convo. Have a pleasant evening. 

You are correct, dear brother. There is indeed only one sin which is unforgivable and you have named it; the testimony of the scriptures agrees with you. Never weary of doing good!

Those who judge harshly do so at their own peril... the same measure will be returned to them when we stand before the judgment seat of our Lord. Remember the words of the apostle Peter:

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15-16)

Agur spoke of these as having knives for teeth (Proverbs 30) to devour the poor and the needy from the earth.  The least of brethren suffer greatly on their account, condemned because they are afflicted with despair. Little wonder that the pews which produced the self-assured have been emptying at a steady pace; the Lord isn't among those whose religion is defiled. To the defiled, all things are as defiled as they themselves are. 

I will continue to pray for you as always, @BeauJangles. The Lord hasn't forgotten you, David. 

[BeauJangles]

29 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Thanks Beau, 

You are most welcome. 

[BeauJangles]

9 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

I will continue to pray for you as always, @BeauJangles.

Thank you, brother. God bless you. 

9 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

The Lord hasn't forgotten you, David. 

Amen. 

Ecclesiastes
Chapter 3
 

1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

[HAZARD]

29 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

You are correct, dear brother. There is indeed only one sin which is unforgivable and you have named it; the testimony of the scriptures agrees with you. Never weary of doing good!

Those who judge harshly do so at their own peril... the same measure will be returned to them when we stand before the judgment seat of our Lord. Remember the words of the apostle Peter:

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15-16)

Agur spoke of these as having knives for teeth (Proverbs 30) to devour the poor and the needy from the earth.  The least of brethren suffer greatly on their account, condemned because they are afflicted with despair. Little wonder that the pews which produced the self-assured have been emptying at a steady pace; the Lord isn't among those whose religion is defiled. To the defiled, all things are as defiled as they themselves are. 

I will continue to pray for you as always, @BeauJangles. The Lord hasn't forgotten you, David. 

If you have read all my posts on the topic being discussed here you will see that I am not judging anyone. All I did was give two examples of where God cut off two saved men from out of His book of life after they committed suicide.

[Marathoner]

God bless you for sharing those verses, @BeauJangles.

I'll share the burden on my heart for those who have reached the end of themselves for in truth, this is the place where those contemplating suicide dwell. The world views this as a terrible thing which comes as no surprise because the flesh is all they possess, hence they seek to retain it. I am greatly encouraged for the sake of anyone who seeks to empty themselves. Why?

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. (Matthew 16:25)

It is only when we reach the end of flesh that His life in us begins to grow. It's one thing to say we love the Lord but quite another to live for Him each and every day, friends. Is suicide the answer? Of course not. 

No, but the suffering, misery, and despair which brings one to that place is the darkness which precedes the glorious dawn. Yes, the Lord has regard for the afflicted... our Father in heaven will not turn His face away from the brokenhearted for the fitting sacrifice to Him is a broken and contrite heart. 

Present that broken heart to the Son of God as your offering and like Jacob before us did in Penuel, grab hold of the Lord and refuse to let Him go until He blesses you. Even though you wrestle through the night until the break of day, never release your grip upon our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. What care do you have for your own life if you already account yourself dead? For that is what we are:

We are crucified with Christ and buried with Him in death; we are therefore raised with Him into life everlasting where we are hidden in the Lord. Our life is His and therefore His life is ours. We are one in Christ Jesus. 

Like the apostle Paul, I'm convinced that nothing can separate us from the love of God. As much as I can be, I'm here for anyone who finds themselves in that place where I once found myself. The day comes.   

Edited October 6, 2020 by Marathoner