There be GIANTS

[Dennis1209]

40 minutes ago, Episcopius said:

Several modern versions say God saved Noah "and seven others" - but the Greek does not say that, says Noah the eighth person - and I cannot tell if Noah was 8th from Adam or not

I think this is important in figuring out if Flood was global or regional. @ Peter makes it sound like the whole world was repopulated from 8 people.

Noah wasn't the eighth from Adam: Gen 5:, Adam; Seth; Enos; Cainan; Mahalaleel; Jared; Enoch; Methuselah; Lamech and Noah. 

Another thing really intriguing about the first ten generations listed above. Writing down their literal Hebrew name 'meanings' in order, then making an English sentence out of it. 

"Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest".

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Thanks Marathoner

 

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Making a sentence out of the ten names - good thinking.

Today we have the San Francisco Giants and the New York Football Giants.

We have the Titans in Tennessee, whose franchise used to be Houston Oilers.

 

[Dennis1209]

18 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

There are genealogies from Adam forward.  I haven't taken the time to see where that places Noah in the genealogies.  I'd like to submit a different idea for you to consider and all who read/study Noah's Flood.  Genesis 6:4 tells us the Nephilim survived the flood.  But the Nephilim were not people like Noah.  Nephilim were the offspring of angels and man by way of women.  So the Nephilim survived the flood, at least some of them.  We know from Peter 2:4 that the angels who had sex with human women.  They are not the Nephilim.  But their offspring are the Nephilim and their various descendants.  So how did they survive? 

1. Noah's Flood - was a regional flood, not a global flood.  That allowed some of the Nephilim to escape the regional flood.
2. What happens to the Nephilim when they die?  Someone wrote above that demons didn't appear until after Noah's Flood.  So since Nephilim can die, why didn't the flood kill all the Nephilim?
3. Because Noah's Flood was not global, but regional.

History shows large beings all over the Earth.  Large skeletons have been found, many hidden away by the Smithsonian Institute.  Every society around the world after Noah's Flood have evidence of giants in both their oral and written history.  This is an indisputable fact.

You're very close to the way I'm thinking with a few exceptions, variations and other possibilities. 

Genesis 6:4 (KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This doesn't say any of them survived, just that they appeared after the flood also. Over a year is a long time to be floating around on some debris. Then there's your view that many others share:

Afterward it seems that Nephilim were on the earth after the flood (see Num 13:33). Nonetheless, Noah and his family were the only human survivors of the flood (compare note on Gen 6:17).

Perhaps Noah’s family did not escape the cohabitation of the sons of God described in v. 2. Some later extra-Biblical Jewish texts, such as 1 Enoch, agree with this view, but Noah and his generations are called blameless (v. 9), which suggests that none of the members of Noah’s family are Nephilim. This would lend credibility to the view that the flood was localized, not global: The Nephilim survived because there was no flood where they were at the time (see 7:19 and note). Barry, J. D., Mangum, D., Brown, D. R., Heiser, M. S., Custis, M., Ritzema, E., … Bomar, D. (2012, 2016). Faithlife Study Bible (Ge 6:4). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

All this to say; it all depends on the global or regional view we have on the deluge. Biblical knowledge or otherwise, I'm not fit to tie Dr. Heiser's shoe lace. But I've come to the conclusion the flood was indeed global. I'm not dogmatic and could well be wrong?

 

[Dennis1209]

4 minutes ago, Episcopius said:

Making a sentence out of the ten names - good thinking.

Today we have the San Francisco Giants and the New York Football Giants.

We have the Titans in Tennessee, whose franchise used to be Houston Oilers.

 

I gleaned that information from the person who discovered it ~ the late Dr. Chuck Missler.

You also have the Rock Hudson movie "Giants". The Green Giant". There be 'giants' everywhere 

[Buddy D. Mouse]

The Rock Hudson movie was GIANT - singular, also with Liz Taylor in it and James Dean in one of his only 3 movies.

There are good Bible students and thinkers in this thread.

I have always wondered how did King Saul first meet David - as the Giant-Killer or as a musician who played the harp and drove demons away?  There are accounts that make both likely.

 

[Buddy D. Mouse]

The Book of Enoch seems to be an expansion of our Genesis 6 account. I used to have it, both Laurence and Charles translations. It is quoted in Jude. It was, may still be - in the Abyssinian Canon.

Enoch seems full of these bad angels that left their first estate - it might have named all 200 of the bad angels - but no one seems clear on which books Enoch includes, Secrets of Enoch, Ethiopian Enoch, 1 Enoch...

Enoch seems to be the first to get raptured. Early Church Fathers proposed that Enoch and Elijah were the 2 witnesses in Revelation, because they never died, and are said to be killed by the Beast, and revive in 3 1/2 days. Other scholars said Moses and Elijah were the 2 witnesses - they both appeared to Jesus together, the miracles of the 2 witnesses seem to match Moses and Elijah - the Enoch and Elijah idea may be tied in to Hebrews 9:27 - Moses actually died, E and E did not.

 

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21 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

You're very close to the way I'm thinking with a few exceptions, variations and other possibilities. 

Genesis 6:4 (KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This doesn't say any of them survived, just that they appeared after the flood also. Over a year is a long time to be floating around on some debris. Then there's your view that many others share:

Afterward it seems that Nephilim were on the earth after the flood (see Num 13:33). Nonetheless, Noah and his family were the only human survivors of the flood (compare note on Gen 6:17).

Perhaps Noah’s family did not escape the cohabitation of the sons of God described in v. 2. Some later extra-Biblical Jewish texts, such as 1 Enoch, agree with this view, but Noah and his generations are called blameless (v. 9), which suggests that none of the members of Noah’s family are Nephilim. This would lend credibility to the view that the flood was localized, not global: The Nephilim survived because there was no flood where they were at the time (see 7:19 and note). Barry, J. D., Mangum, D., Brown, D. R., Heiser, M. S., Custis, M., Ritzema, E., … Bomar, D. (2012, 2016). Faithlife Study Bible (Ge 6:4). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

All this to say; it all depends on the global or regional view we have on the deluge. Biblical knowledge or otherwise, I'm not fit to tie Dr. Heiser's shoe lace. But I've come to the conclusion the flood was indeed global. I'm not dogmatic and could well be wrong?

1 Enoch was written before Noah's Flood. 

[Buddy D. Mouse]

An Enoch and an Enos lived before "our Enoch" -- hmmm....

 

[Buddy D. Mouse]

http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/1enoch.html

Enoch online - both Charles and Laurence translations