Creation Etc.

[DeighAnn]

8 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Yup I agree God creates not in vain.

As you mentioned just as it says, what kind of signs are the lights in the firmament supposed to be  

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

God tells us exactly when the heavens went dark.  Now some have told me this is to be a future event??  but no one can say when.  I personally believe it is a past event and explains why there was darkness  "in the beginning".   It doesn't SOUND future, it doesn't FIT future it sounds like the end of an 'age'.
 

Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.


God is talking about His people, God is talking about the land, God is talking destruction, and THEN God is talking about the earth being.....

Sounds like someone made Him really really mad.  

Hayah

Ever wonder how Satan 'was already Satan' in the garden.  I did.  

[BeyondET]

19 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

God tells us exactly when the heavens went dark.  Now some have told me this is to be a future event??  but no one can say when.  I personally believe it is a past event and explains why there was darkness  "in the beginning".   It doesn't SOUND future, it doesn't FIT future it sounds like the end of an 'age'.
 

Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.


God is talking about His people, God is talking about the land, God is talking destruction, and THEN God is talking about the earth being.....

Sounds like someone made Him really really mad.  

Hayah

Ever wonder how Satan 'was already Satan' in the garden.  I did.  

Well since signs is right in line with seasons, days, and years, those things are future events all the time like when is next Monday in 7 days, so signs in something that happens all the time as well. that order in my opinion wouldn’t be three out of four are future but signs isn’t, though I’ll agree those things can be reflected on. There are many signs but I’ll post one the Big Dipper and North Star is a sign for knowing the hour of a day.

Edited April 5, 2021 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

Those verses are interesting, once I’ve heard someone say the earth was something then became void formless to water then dry land appeared. I don’t know but

Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was awilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

Edited April 6, 2021 by BeyondET

[JohnR7]

On 10/19/2020 at 5:49 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Let's start at Genesis 1:1.  Creation takes place and was completed in Genesis 1:1. 

Close but no cigar. Genesis 1:1 talks about the beginning and what takes place in the beginning. God declares the end from the beginning. Genesis 46:10.  We are told: "I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled." Jeremiah 1:12 

[abcdef]

On 4/4/2021 at 11:36 PM, DeighAnn said:

God tells us exactly when the heavens went dark.  Now some have told me this is to be a future event??  but no one can say when.  I personally believe it is a past event and explains why there was darkness  "in the beginning".   It doesn't SOUND future, it doesn't FIT future it sounds like the end of an 'age'.
 

Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.


God is talking about His people, God is talking about the land, God is talking destruction, and THEN God is talking about the earth being.....

 

On 4/4/2021 at 11:36 PM, DeighAnn said:

Sounds like someone made Him really really mad.  

May I suggest, that when you think of God in your mind, that you picture, perfect love, complete love, consuming love, powerful Holy Spirit love.

God is spirit, love. There is no anger in love/God. God is heartbroken.

When God/love can take no more heartbreak, He withdraws His love presence. Then the "dark" forces of "no love" come rushing in.

Satan is the spirit of "no love", without love, self centered, ego, animal, without law, "heartless", not trustworthy, liar, deceiver.

Our spiritual battles today are between those who love and those who don't love, who must be enlightened to understand how to love.

So when we think of the time before creation, this spiritual concept of God is love and Satan is void of love, should be included in the images we are given. Dark and light for example. Light is good, darkness is the absence of light (love).

 

On 4/4/2021 at 11:36 PM, DeighAnn said:

Hayah

Ever wonder how Satan 'was already Satan' in the garden.  I did.  

You sound like you have it figured out.

I have thought that God was allowing Satan to have a kingdom made up of those souls who do not love.

[abcdef]

On 4/4/2021 at 11:47 PM, BeyondET said:

Well since signs is right in line with seasons, days, and years, those things are future events all the time like when is next Monday in 7 days, so signs in something that happens all the time as well. that order in my opinion wouldn’t be three out of four are future but signs isn’t, though I’ll agree those things can be reflected on.

 

On 4/4/2021 at 11:47 PM, BeyondET said:

There are many signs but I’ll post one the Big Dipper and North Star is a sign for knowing the hour of a day.

I don't believe in astrology, but, the star that guided the kings to young Jesus was a sign.

In ancient times many things in the stars and planets were taken as signs.

In our modern times we say that they are only falling or orbiting objects in the sky and we are not believing them to be signs.

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I guess that a near miss by a planet destroying asteroid would be a sign.

A sign that says, it is going to hit one of these days.

Would God tell us? If this were so?

 

 

 

[JohnR7]

On 12/31/2020 at 12:19 AM, abcdef said:

God created light, in the darkness.

Science talks about black holes. I do not know how much they know about them, but they do talk about an event horizon and a singularity.  

[JohnR7]

On 4/5/2021 at 12:36 AM, DeighAnn said:

Now some have told me this is to be a future event?? 

The future event has to do with a volcano. 

[JohnR7]

12 hours ago, abcdef said:

I guess that a near miss by a planet destroying asteroid would be a sign.

We already have the apophis comet that goes around every 7 years. In 2029 it will appear on good friday and 7 years later on resurrection sunday. This could be a sign because it seems to coincide with the 2,000 year anniversary (birthday) of the church. 

[JohnR7]

12 hours ago, abcdef said:

the star that guided the kings to young Jesus was a sign.

They could figure out the time and place where they would find Jesus. That is more than we can do today. We do not seem to know for sure when He was born but I do tend to go along with Bishop Ussher. They believe this coincides with when God put Adam in the garden of Eden and how Adam fell into sin 33 years later.