The Make Up of Man

[JohnD]

 

Update:

Since certain individuals see fit to stalk, disturb, antagonize yours truly in this thread (after I deleted my posts in their thread to start this one), rather than attempt to rid this thread of the "invasive cancer" I have abandoned it and have started yet another attempt to peacefully demonstrate the points of the make up of man according to scriptures.

I have reported said individual, and will do so again and again should they attempt yet another stalking / trolling spree in the new thread. 

God bless you.

No, this is not about Egyptian face paint (which both men and women wore) or

even about Michael Jackson or Boy George...

This is about what the Bible teaches that mankind is made up of.

Edited November 26, 2020 by JohnD

[JohnD]

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (AV)
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Color scheme is mine to make several points, not the least of which is that every quantum part of us is all three

as long as we are alive (which is defined as these parts being assembled together see Genesis 2:7).

 

Edited November 25, 2020 by JohnD

[JohnD]

The preacher says:

Ecclesiastes 9:10 (AV)*
10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

*Note: Ecclesiastes is as the Book of Lamentations II.  Which all is true from the emotional perspective in this life. But not everything listed is meaningless or without purpose.

But from the account of Jesus on the subject of life after death we read:

Luke 16:19–31 (AV)
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

1. This cannot be the resurrection state of man since life here on Earth continues at the time of this event (see verses 27-30 above). The resurrection occurs at the end of life on Earth (Revelation 20:10-15). 

2. Notice the physical traits of these disembodied spirits (I reiterate, the term soul applies to when the spirit and body are united see Genesis 2:7). The disembodied spirits in the account above have consciousness, sight, speech, hearing, touch (agony in the fire), thirst, worry, concern for others, hope that they can avoid this place of suffering... there's no reason to believe all autonomous functions are in our bodies only... but that our spirits indwell / occupy / are part of every aspect of our physical being (which is why I made the depiction of the make up of man with all three parts as fully formed).

This may give a sound reason for amputees having phantom pain from a limb that they no longer have. It is generally accepted as psychosomatic or "nerve memory." Interesting though... it's always pain and never pleasure that phantom pain. J/S

Note: Abraham's Bosom has been empty since the death of Christ on the cross:

Ephesians 4:8–10 (AV)
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

 

Edited November 25, 2020 by JohnD

[JohnD]

The Bible teaches there are three aspects resulting from death (the separation of the human body from its spirit).

1. lifelessness and degradation

2. consciousness

3. non-existence.

Number 1 we are all too familiar with. No one escapes death of others until our own death. 

Number two

Number three

Incomplete (will edit / complete as soon as possible).

 

[JohnD]

1 minute ago, Josheb said:

Fail. 

The "spirit" in question has eyes, a finger, a tongue, and feels torment. He is not disembodied. 

It is a parable based on Jewish mythology. It's not a real place.

Then prove it.

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Let me get something out of the way to preclude later straw men. I 100% wholeheartedly embrace and will assert the human being is comprised of body, spirit, and soul. Hebrews 4:12 makes it quite plain and clear there is a distinction between soul and spirit. 

But the soul is not the intersection of spirit and body. We don't just have a soul; we are souls. 

Yes--Amen--this addresses 'ontology' and clear in Genesis.

 

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

My turn.

 

I asked you a question in the other op and believe it went unanswered: 

Does God have a soul?

I will wait so as not to interfere.

[JohnD]

40 minutes ago, Alive said:

Yes--Amen--this addresses 'ontology' and clear in Genesis.

 

Which in your view negates 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

I see...

[JohnD]

45 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Let me get something out of the way to preclude later straw men. I 100% wholeheartedly embrace and will assert the human being is comprised of body, spirit, and soul. Hebrews 4:12 makes it quite plain and clear there is a distinction between soul and spirit. 

But the soul is not the intersection of spirit and body. We don't just have a soul; we are souls. 

Then please, cut this verse out of your Bible to suit your extrabiblical theology. And be done with it.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 (AV)
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[JohnD]

48 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Let me get something out of the way to preclude later straw men. I 100% wholeheartedly embrace and will assert the human being is comprised of body, spirit, and soul. Hebrews 4:12 makes it quite plain and clear there is a distinction between soul and spirit. 

But the soul is not the intersection of spirit and body. We don't just have a soul; we are souls. 

Hebrews 4:12 (AV)
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

According to Josheb this is unbiblical. The physical and the soul cannot be separated because they are each other.