Unit 11 Posted January 11, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 149 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 102 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2021 Depressing, but we keep seeing it, don't we? It so happens I listened to a podcast last week about notorious con man Joseph Weil, who swindled people for decades. Late in his life, he wrote: Man has all the bestiality of the animal, but is cloaked in a thin veneer of civilization. He is inherently dishonest and selfish. The honest man is a rare specimen indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted January 11, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,105 Content Per Day: 9.69 Reputation: 13,598 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2021 Why two threads on basically the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 11, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,992 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,690 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 1/9/2021 at 10:45 AM, JohnD said: I'm guessing it's because we judge others by puny human standards. If someone is nice or compassionate or willing to lay down their life for others... like our military and police and EMTs and firefighters do every shift... we presume they are good. The Bible, the Word of God the creator of mankind says we are not good. And that the minimum standard for being good is perfectly keeping God's perfect Law... which no human other than the Lord Jesus could keep. So how is it we keep asking how God can allow bad things to happen to "good" people or how God can send "good" people to hell? John 3:18 states humans are predestined for hell for unbelief in Jesus. This is the result of human sin. And the modification of John 3:17. Otherwise all sinners would go straight to hell. Jesus came to save hell-destined sinners. If they die in that unbelief or reject that one and only way to be saved... Question: Those who we deem "good," have they ever committed a sin any sin? Then they are not good. We attempt to dumb down the perfect Law standard but it makes no difference. God is the arbiter of good and evil and he gave us his Word to show it to mankind (but with the one way out of hell which he paid dearly for us to even have the choice). I don't assume everyone is good. Quite the opposite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted January 11, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,562 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 877 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 1/9/2021 at 4:55 PM, johnthebaptist said: And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.” Mark 10:18 RSV Right. So instead of good i think the better word choice would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 11, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Figure of eighty said: Right. So instead of good i think the better word choice would be nice. How about "comparatively good"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted January 13, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 242 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,562 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 877 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 1/11/2021 at 6:45 PM, johnthebaptist said: How about "comparatively good"? Yeah, that works too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Completed Israelite Posted January 14, 2021 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 113 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/20/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 14, 2021 God created man to tend and keep/guard HIS Garden, anyone can see that in Genesis, any man not tending His garden, not doing what mankind was created for, is rebelling from the very beginning! Good in the eyes of man...thats a joke, Word says, He thinks NOTHING like mankind. And Christains tend to vear off into Zoroastrianism, thinking there is a evil god who creates evil in this world, And a good God who does all good.... Where Hashem corrects that very mindset. Saying, "I form the Light and the darkness, I make Shalom, and Create EVIL, I The LORD Do All these things" Most translations was scared to write Evil in that verse, bc of Thier doctrine...it's very plain in Hebrew tho. Hashem uses Evil for good in the end, it's a tool. -That we as His people must overcome. He personally Has NO Enemeys, that's impossible. Unless you believe in multiple gods. In Genesis 22. We see "And God Tested* Abraham" The Word "Nissah-Tested" in Hebrew is derived from Neis-a banner" that flys above a army....Hence the verse would be rendered "And God ELEVATED* Abraham" trial upon trial. Men can be counted Rightoues, but none is good. God don't even wanna see human poop, Hes that clean! He said in Torah to bury it outside the camp, bc He wld be dwelling within the camp, showing you how clean and pure He is.....you can truly say, if your house or body is unclean His Spirit will not want to rest upon that person, if your filled full of bacon, lol He don't wanna rest His spirit on that person Defiled by a nasty animal. If there's dog poop all over your floors, He don't wanna be in that House! This is a side of God people in today's time people don't even consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 14, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 908 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,653 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,837 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/11/2021 at 12:14 AM, ReneeIW said: I struggled for a bit in my twenties to believe that Jesus was God. This verse helped me along with the verse “bring me back into the glory WE shared before the world was.” As far as why we believe people are good- we look at their fruit. When good/fruitful/Bible-believing people who are the salt and light if this earth are taken from us, out of grief, we question God. But I think we all know that us mortals are not “good” according to God’s standards. Easiest way to understand Jesus is God (the Word incarnate) among God the Father and God the Spirit is: Jesus is the sole Creator of all things created in the beginning (Isaiah 44:24, John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2 = Genesis 1:1) He wasn't alone but acted alone (John 1:1-2, 1 John 1:1-2, Genesis 1:1-2) ← I call that apologetic "the ol' one - two" And yes, you are exactly right... good by GOD'S STANDARDS ← i.e. the Law of Moses... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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