What do you Believe

[His Ambassador]

Will the Rapture be pre Trib. Yes,,,, Scripture says, Caught up in the air, Paul says "your will be saved from the Trib."Stay awake or you will stay for the Trib.; Do you really believe that G_D would force believers to live on earth, with out food,money,housing.job,car,bank account etc..... because they will not receive the mark to buy or sell or pay bills.

Pre "Great Tribulation", yes. The last portion of your post refers to the Great Tribulation (the last 3 1/2 years) which occurs after the Millennial Kingdom. I believe it is possible we are going through the Tribulation right now.

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

His Ambassador how on earth can I be spouting error when I am quoting the Bible, it is you my friend who needs to go back & study what the word of God says. All I have done each & every time is to quote scripture ( THE WORD OF GOD ) These have not been my words my friend they have & are the words of God, So now you are calling him a lier are you. As I have quoted the word of God & the word of God is the truth so you have to be saying that he is lying now as all I have done is quoted his words!.

Again I have not or have I ever insulted you or anyone else that I have had any discussions with on any thread that is not the christian way, but it seems as if it is your way & yet you call yourself a christian, no my friend true Christians will debate even argue but never insult or even bring into question there possible salvation position. You have a lot to ask for forgiveness for my friend I suggest that you go back & study your Bible again, I have given you the facts I have given you the scripture I have given you the studies I have also given you the link to one of the best Bible teachers around at the moment to check your findings with & still all you do is to insult anyone who does not agree with what you say & also this bit I find unbelievable you say that God has made you aware of future events or further prophetic events & you keep it to yourself & just say to a few people on this forum that if they contact you personally you will tell them what God has made you aware off.

God would never my friend never keep the word from his people he would never not tell his people of further prophetic events & tell you to keep it to yourself. You think about what I have just said my friend, those kind of things are the signature of a CULT. As I said you really need to go back to the word of God & do some real teaching studies. As for what I said in my last post to you again I stand by my words that quote applies to the whole bible not just one book. If you knew about the Bible & teachings in the Bible as you say you do, you would know that rev interconnects with Daniel it also connects with the gospels with Romans with colossians lets face it it interconnects with the whole of the Bible my friend NOT JUST ONE BOOK. At the moment you are just showing all in this thread your lack of knowledge of this wonderful book this God given book, wale up & smell the coffee my friend just go back over what you have wrote & re read it you will see just how illogical it is. The Bible is the true word of God from start to Finnish it tells us what is to happen & what has happened & we are also told that no one has to add or take away from this word, it is as plane & as simple as that. So you can carry on ranting & raving to your hearts content it will get you no ware, the truth is the truth & that truth comes from one book with nothing added & nothing taken away THE BIBLE.

larrye2001 I would not bother to argue with this man he has shown all that he does not understand the word of God at all, so to argue with him would just be a waist of your time my friend. This will be my last post to this man as I have posted all the truth with all the scripture to back up what I have said & so if he does not wish to accept that well its his life not ours, I will just pray that one day his eyes will be opened 7 all will be revealed to him.

God Bless you all

831

[His Ambassador]

I am quoting the Bible,

You may be quoting the Bible but in this case you are misinterpreting it.

all you do is to insult anyone who does not agree with what you say

Apparently you feel to be told you are in error is an insult. If that's the case then you will be insulted many times as you debate issues on any site. What I have said are not insults but truth.

The fact that you do not believe in personal revelation does not make it untrue.

I don't know who this Bible teacher is you seem to be so high on but if he's the one who is teaching you I'd look around for another teacher if I were you.

Edited December 9, 2005 by His Ambassador

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

This is going to be my last post on this subject. I have proved beyond any reasonable doubt that what I have said is the truth. I have shown by using nothing but scripture that what I have posted is the truth. I have nothing to reproach myself for I stand on the truth of our Lord & his word the Bible my friend. You say you have no idea who Dr Arnold Fruchtenbuam is & you live in the states, cor my friend you really must be blind & deaf then. He is classed as one of the best Bible teachers that live & teach in the states today. If you are so good & think that you are so right I suggest that you go & debate your findings with this man, he will be more than willing to do so with you the Link is in one of my other posts I will not bother to put it down again as I am sure that you will not bother taking me up on this offer & I am sure that you will put him down again but in doing so again you will just show all who have been following this thread just how bad your knowledge of the word of God is & also your contempt, as this man is so well known its unreal he is as well known as Billy Graham or Dave Hunt so again it just shows your lack of knowledge.

Here again is a teaching that if you can be bothered to do it shows that what has been put by me is the truth, but again I am sure that you will not do it. As I said in my last post the way you have conducted yourself is disgusting & what you have said about your so called enlightening by God about further Prophetic events is just unreal & shows you up for who you are my friend, Someone who is trying to take true christians off the true path, so just go back to your true master Helel or do the study I have put & come to the true God & your only chance of being saved.

(The fact that you do not believe in personal revelation does not make it untrue. ) These are your words, yes you are right but God does not tell you to keep it to your self & or only tell a selective few. This is one of the area's that you are totlaly wrong in Just to make one point, ok you said about Bible teachers ok who do you read the books off or teaching off, as for me I study lots of teachers & then go back to the word & test it as we are told to do.

I am now shaking the dust off my feet & walking on. As the Lord tells us to do.

God Bless you all

831

After reading countless messages and articles that attack the pre-trib rapture, I've noticed a certain number of arguments that are repeatedly sent to me.

Instead of trying to answer every individual e-mail I receive, I thought it would be a good idea to create a web page that addresses the most commonly mentioned points of debate. This way, I can avoid repeating myself so many times; thereby, maintain my sanity.

Nowhere in the Bible, can you find the word "rapture"

It amazes me that some folks write to me, questioning the validity of the rapture, simply because the word "rapture" doesn't appear in the Bible.

With 1 Thes 4:16-18 giving us such a clear description of the rapture, you would have to conclude that some people are just playing games with the Word of God. I could change the name of my site to