What do you Believe

[eric]

Hi 831,

would you like some more web sites you can copy and paste from> I know a whole bunch of doozies and they are all claim to be managed by experts. They are all different, but they all reckon that they have the whole end time story sussed.

copying and pasting can be a real boor.

eric.

[His Ambassador]

If any man add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book, and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophesy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life & out of the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book, He that testifieth these things saith, surely I come quickly Amen.

This Scripture applies to the Book of Revelation NOT the entire Bible. The entire Bible is NOT prophesy.

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

First of all, The quote I put down applies to the whole Bible not just one book! or does that apply to all the books of the Bible it just concerns that one book is that it, NO it is not. What is in the Bible concerns the whole Bible every book interconnects with each other, they are not just one book after another one. Or are we to believe that 65 books are interconnected but the 66th one just applies to that one book. Sorry my friend you are wrong, that quote applies to all the Bible.

Second eric well I deal in facts my friend so if you do have some sites that have the truth yes I will have them thank you very much. The posts that I have cut & pasted are all truthful facts truthful quotes of the word of God my friend they are not just little quotes from any secular book as your supposed quip implies they may be. So again if they are truthful quotes from the word of God then yes I will have those site addresses, thank you.

Thirdly IreneM you are spot on I agree with you as far as what is being discussed here is not a salvation issue so what does it matter. In this area you are spot on. The thing is we are meant to follow & believe in the word of God & that word has to be the correct one & if what is being said & or taught is not the truth we are to correct those people, the word tells us to do that & so that is what I am doing correcting you all. The only scenario that fills & covers the whole end time prophesy is the pre-trib one & no other. Our little friend eric tried to make a funny by saying that I was cutting & pasting but the facts are what I posted is the truth is the facts, it does not matter if I cut & pasted it from another site the facts are what I cut & pasted was the truth. That is all that matters when I need to I also go to my Bible software & cut & paste from that is that wrong! no it is not as what I am pasting is the word of God & the truth & that is all I have done.

As I have said why do you not just do the study & see if I am telling the truth or if you do not wish to do that why do you not do as I said in my last post & go to Ariel Ministries the link I gave in the last post, on that site they have a Q&A section & you can make comments & or ask questions of Dr Arnold Fruchtenbuam one of the best messianic Bible teachers in the world today. You put your thought & your questions to him about what the Bible says on the rapture issue I am sure he will be only to happy to answer your questions & comments & show you exactly where in the word of God it tells you the truth about this subject.

As for our little friend eric you can make fun or try to make someone look a fool as much as you like my friend but the facts will always be the facts the truth will always be the truth & what I posted was the facts & the truth & nothing in this world will or can change that my friend so your silly comments are futile & pointless. I have given you the chance to ask your questions & make your comments to one of the worlds best Bible teachers & that statement is accepted by the majority of Bible teachers throughout the world. I have given you all his link to use I suggest that you use it if you wish to learn the truth.

God Bless you all

831

[His Ambassador]

First of all, The quote I put down applies to the whole Bible not just one book! or does that apply to all the books of the Bible it just concerns that one book is that it, NO it is not. What is in the Bible concerns the whole Bible every book interconnects with each other, they are not just one book after another one. Or are we to believe that 65 books are interconnected but the 66th one just applies to that one book. Sorry my friend you are wrong, that quote applies to all the Bible.

You're saying in other words "Don't confuse me with facts, I believe what I was taught". That's fine. Just don't try to pass it on to others as truth.

[eric]

831 said.

As for our little friend eric you can make fun or try to make someone look a fool as much as you like my friend but the facts will always be the facts the truth will always be the truth & what I posted was the facts & the truth & nothing in this world will or can change that my friend so your silly comments are futile & pointless. I have given you the chance to ask your questions & make your comments to one of the worlds best Bible teachers & that statement is accepted by the majority of Bible teachers throughout the world. I have given you all his link to use I suggest that you use it if you wish to learn the truth.

I assure I am not trying to make a fool of you my friend and I am not doubting the ministry of Mr.Fruchtbuam or trying to downplay or doubt his qualifications or his web site which is known to me, as well as many many more. What I am saying, though, it is far better just to post the URL of any site you feel worthy of perusal and then the other posters can log in and draw their own conclusions.. Quoting the link is one thing but c&p takes too much reading for those who have not the time. Besides if I want to learn the truth, as you put it, I will search for it in the bible.

I realise that your intentions are sincere and you are to be commended that you go to so much effort to seek the truth and I apologise if I have given you the impression the I am being offensive. Some people like Spurgeon or Schofield, and some like Hal Lindsey or La Haye and they all have web sites.

be blessed,

eric.

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

First can I say to eric. Thank you for your post. T

[Guest 831]

Hi All.

First can I say to eric. Thank you for your post. The reason that I c&p is this, I have in the past put down the links & the people that I have been dealing or discussing with have not used them. The way that they have answered me & come back at me has clearly shown that they have not used those links. So with the experience I have had in the past because of this reason that is why I now c&p. I have found that even though it may make the post I am doing long, at least I can be guaranteed that they will at least try to read some of it & at best maybe all of it. But as I said going off past experience they have not used the links I am sorry if this is not to your liking & that this makes the posts to long to read, but as with others who do what they do I have had my reasons for doing what I have done.

Now his Ambassador please do not assume to put words into my mouth, I have not done that to you so please have the courtesy not to do that to me! Your comment was absolutely insulting to say the least. How dare you assume to make judgement on what I have been taught & on my knowledge of the Bible, Again I have not done that to you so why have you done that to me. That is not the way of a true christian in my mind & if you are a true christian I would ask for forgiveness with that if I was you.

(First of all, The quote I put down applies to the whole Bible not just one book! or does that apply to all the books of the Bible it just concerns that one book is that it, NO it is not. What is in the Bible concerns the whole Bible every book interconnects with each other, they are not just one book after another one. Or are we to believe that 65 books are interconnected but the 66th one just applies to that one book. Sorry my friend you are wrong, that quote applies to all the Bible.

(You're saying in other words "Don't confuse me with facts, I believe what I was taught". That's fine. Just don't try to pass it on to others as truth.)

Now I have c&p what you put in your post, please anyone show me where what His Ambassador has posted in his reply to me remotely reflects on what I have said, it does not. Your answer to me is beyond belief it has no connection to what I posted at all.

What I posted in my answers to anyone on this thread has been the facts & the truth, I have also backed up those posts with scripture, or is that confusing some one with facts, I have said to you what the Bible says on this subject, I have also given you the link to a world renowned Bible teacher who if you are not sure about what you may believe or need some kind of clarification on what the Bible teaches on these area's, you can go to his web site & ask him any question you would like to on these subjects & he will answer you with the truth & back it all up with scripture. Lastly again please do not insult anyone who does not agree with what you do, that is not the christian way.

God Bless you all

831

[Guest Museed]

The first resurrection does not happen until after the tribulation, Revelation 20:4-5. There are 2 resurrections described in the bible, one for The Saints at the beginning of the millenium, the other for the wicked at the end of that millenium, to be judged. The Dead in Christ rise first, if the dead in christ rise first, then how could there be a rapture 7 years before, when the bible states that The Righteous dead are ressurected after the tribulation. Those that are alive and remain, go to meet The Lord in The Air. If the first resurection does not take place before the tribulation, and the dead in christ rise first (Resurrected), then how can the rapture be before the tribulation? Mathew 24:29-31 states that the gathering of the elect does not happen until after the tribulaion of those days. The Rapture also does not happen until The Falling away, and the antichrist is recealed, 2Thes 2:1-12. And in this same verses paul is warning christians not to be deceived about The rapture happening before certain events happen. John 16:33, states that shall have tribulation. Acts 14:22, states that we must continue in The Faith, and through much tribulation enter The Kingdom of Heaven. Also read Rom 8:35 & Rev 2:10 about saints going through tribulation. Rev7:9-17 also puts more clarification on the subject. Also study if you will, 1Cor 15:50-57, James 2:17-22, Rom 5:3-8.

[Guest larrye2001]

Will the Rapture be pre Trib. Yes,,,, Scripture says, Caught up in the air, Paul says "your will be saved from the Trib."Stay awake or you will stay for the Trib.; Do you really believe that G_D would force believers to live on earth, with out food,money,housing.job,car,bank account etc..... because they will not receive the mark to buy or sell or pay bills.

[His Ambassador]

How dare you assume to make judgement on what I have been taught & on my knowledge of the Bible, Again I have not done that to you so why have you done that to me

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I have "...done that to you..." because you are espousing error as truth. As I said, which should be obvious to you and anyone who is thinking, the entire Bible is NOT prophesy and the verse you quote talks about adding to "...this book of prophesy...".

There is no time-line in the Bible regarding the end-times events. Time lines have been inserted by various proponents of various theories and, from what the Lord has shown me, most of them are wrong.

You are free to believe what you want to believe about what is to come as it has no affect on your salvation. Just don't try to pass it of as Scriptural truth.