The Church

[SisVa]

6 hours ago, missmuffet said:

But that was in the time of Joseph. The Bible is complete now. We do not have to rely on dreams. 

I disagree. I have had occasions where I would see things in a dream and tomorrow the exact thing happens. In addition to that the God of Joseph is our God and his spirit is also with us and if you believe that because the bible is complete God cannot speak through dreams or visions then are there no more prophets today? 

 

[SisVa]

6 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

Yes I see what you mean...like get ready...I am at the door! I'm really concerned with how things are going to go with this new administration.  I believe our 1st and 2nd Amendment are in grave danger.

Yes! I'm with you on that. I also accept the fact that what must come to pass shall come to pass and rest upon God's words as Mike mentioned in God we hope in him we trust.

[SisVa]

7 hours ago, FatherGoose said:

Are you married?  Because the dream may be all about you!

I don't believe so FatherGoose the faces that I saw were some of those from the churches where I am from. Not to mention a large bed placed inside the church itself. 

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, SisVa said:

I disagree. I have had occasions where I would see things in a dream and tomorrow the exact thing happens. In addition to that the God of Joseph is our God and his spirit is also with us and if you believe that because the bible is complete God cannot speak through dreams or visions then are there no more prophets today? 

 

Suit yourself. 

[enoob57]

It's really about where your foundation lies... either the Word totally that comes with this promise
2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV
or Scripture plus but then you have no assurance of the promise as God is quite clear in how His Word is the sole foundation and nothing else...

[Justin Adams]

On 1/19/2021 at 11:04 AM, Unit 11 said:

If we're sleeping then I should ask, what do we need to do in order to wake up?

 

Here are a few ideas:

What the church has lost is the vision of spiritual discernment. The scriptures have been strip-mined of the major parts of reality. The unseen! We have this silly 'Paradise Lost' idea of Milton's and overlook deliberately what the early church viewed as most important. In second temple literature there are only about four passages about man's fall. All the rest focus completely on the Gen 6 events. This is where holy ones 'left their first estate' and came to earth on Mt Hermon and corrupted humanity. They taught all kinds of terrible things to mankind so they could pollute the line of Yeshua and hasten our destruction.

Then came Babel after the deluge and they continued the ungodly ideas of pre-flood times.

If we do not have a Deut 32 worldview and a Divine Council worldview, we will miss most of what the later NT writers were talking about. The Tanakh does not mention the fall as being the basis of accelerated evil in the world. Yet today that is all you hear about.

This shortsighted view has been passed down thru the ages so that today we are quite blind to the reality of spiritual wickedness.

But Yeshua put to rights all of this. a) the fall, b) the scattering at Babel and c) the angelic wickedness.

Thus the deck is stacked against us. If it were not for Yeshua and His Cross, we would be lost. The regathering of the nations began at Pentecost and continues today because the enemy has had his previous mandate rescinded by the Cross and his weapons are nullified.

The enemies have been disarmed as the apostle said. "Had they but known, they never would have killed the King of Glory". God outfoxes them at every turn and plays the long game. "We are more than conquerors".

[Unit 11]

10 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Here are a few ideas:

What the church has lost is the vision of spiritual discernment. The scriptures have been strip-mined of the major parts of reality. The unseen! We have this silly 'Paradise Lost' idea of Milton's and overlook deliberately what the early church viewed as most important. In second temple literature there are only about four passages about man's fall. All the rest focus completely on the Gen 6 events. This is where holy ones 'left their first estate' and came to earth on Mt Hermon and corrupted humanity. They taught all kinds of terrible things to mankind so they could pollute the line of Yeshua and hasten our destruction.

Then came Babel after the deluge and they continued the ungodly ideas of pre-flood times.

If we do not have a Deut 32 worldview and a Divine Council worldview, we will miss most of what the later NT writers were talking about. The Tanakh does not mention the fall as being the basis of accelerated evil in the world. Yet today that is all you hear about.

This shortsighted view has been passed down thru the ages so that today we are quite blind to the reality of spiritual wickedness.

But Yeshua put to rights all of this. a) the fall, b) the scattering at Babel and c) the angelic wickedness.

Thus the deck is stacked against us. If it were not for Yeshua and His Cross, we would be lost. The regathering of the nations began at Pentecost and continues today because the enemy has had his previous mandate rescinded by the Cross and his weapons are nullified.

The enemies have been disarmed as the apostle said. "Had they but known, they never would have killed the King of Glory". God outfoxes them at every turn and plays the long game. "We are more than conquerors".

 

OK...but practically speaking, what should we do?

 

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, Unit 11 said:

 

OK...but practically speaking, what should we do?

 

Study, study and study more. We have a wealth of information resources as never before. Begin with the Tanakh and see how the NT repurposes much of it. Read what the apostles read and Yeshua. Get informed by your mind fitly exposed to TRUTH. Do not trust any man, but rather the Spirit. He will lead you in that endeavor. Focus on the supernatural aspects that are timeless and get a good 'feel' for what the Lord is always telling His people. Throw of the shackles of man's doctrines and devote yourself to The Lord High God. He will bring people to you. It is the way He Works. Line upon line, precept upon precept. Here a little there a little. You will hear a voice behind you saying, this is the Way, walk ye in it.

Study, study and yet more study. Be approved by the Lord our God. 

[SisVa]

5 hours ago, enoob57 said:

It's really about where your foundation lies... either the Word totally that comes with this promise
2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV
or Scripture plus but then you have no assurance of the promise as God is quite clear in how His Word is the sole foundation and nothing else...

My brother In Christ, my point is not to rely on dreams alone. My point is that God is able to send a message through any means he wants. Lets be logical about this, do you think a person preaching the word of God only opens the bible every time and automatically he gets a sermon?...Yes holy spirit will direct him to where he must speak but inside of his sermon you'll hear some example of what relates to the passage. Yes we read the word of God but any good sermon comes with examples of today's world. Jesus himself spoke in parables. To be more clear what I am saying is God can use anything to convey a message now to understand the message we use his word to relate to what is being said. 

[enoob57]

3 hours ago, SisVa said:

My brother In Christ, my point is not to rely on dreams alone. My point is that God is able to send a message through any means he wants. Lets be logical about this, do you think a person preaching the word of God only opens the bible every time and automatically he gets a sermon?...Yes holy spirit will direct him to where he must speak but inside of his sermon you'll hear some example of what relates to the passage. Yes we read the word of God but any good sermon comes with examples of today's world. Jesus himself spoke in parables. To be more clear what I am saying is God can use anything to convey a message now to understand the message we use his word to relate to what is being said. 

I personally look only to His Word because that is what I will give an account to when I stand before The Lord:
John 12:47-50
 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
KJV