Walking in the Spirit

[Waggles]

17 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Says you??

When the voice gifts of the Holy spirit operate at a church meeting - on Sundays straight after communion - God (both the Father and Jesus) speak directly to the saints present.

Up to three gifts of various tongues followed by up to three gifts of interpretation.

Then followed by up to three gifts of prophecy.

In these voice gifts God extols, even demands, that we pray daily and often in the power of the spiritual language He has given to us by His Spirit. God explains the work of the Holy Spirit and how our praying in the Spirit enables His Spirit to do its work within us (helping us to be victorious over the flesh and sins). 

God often cites the scriptures to us expounding their relevance to our walk and to our new life in His son, Jesus. More than once God has used the parable of the wise and the foolish virgins to remind us that those who quench the Spirit imperil their salvation. 

One specific revelation given through these revelations is that OSAS is not true.

What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be unto edifying.  1Corinthians 14:26

Edited January 30, 2021 by Waggles

[SwordMaster]

16 hours ago, Paul James said:

The bottom line to all this is that we need to encourage those open to the Gospel, to make a strong decision for Christ, seek to be fully converted to Him through the work of the Holy Spirit, and to receive the baptism with the Spirit with the complete potential to develop in the ministry and gifts of the Spirit as the believer develops toward maturity in the faith.  Good, sound discipleship of new believers should achieve this and increase the number of them to develop into sound, long-term church members moving into their calling in Christ to do their bit to build up the body of Christ.

 

Yes, indeed these things are true...but we have gotten off track. How does Scripture tell us to walk in the Spirit?

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[SwordMaster]

11 hours ago, Waggles said:

Au contraire but these scriptures in Galatians do precisely instruct us as to walking in the Spirit. All the epistles instruct us unto righteousness and living to serve God and the gospel. 

It is not complicated. 

 

So, what you are saying, is that walking in the Spirit means that we practice righteousness and holiness in obedience to God and His Word...right?

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[Marathoner]

A simplistic answer to a complicated question: we walk in the Spirit by listening for His voice and waiting only upon the Lord. Yes, those who belong to Jesus Christ know His voice; how the Lord chooses to reveal Himself to each of us is a different matter. There are some who simply know... there others who hear His voice without ears (a still, small voice)... and so on. 

 

[SwordMaster]

57 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Oh how wrong you are. You do greatly err in your use of scripture.

One cannot enter the Kingdom of God without the indwelling Holy Spirit (God making his abode within a true worshipper, thus such disciples become temples of God)

One does not have the Holy Spirit without the God given evidence of speaking (or rather praying) in tongues - a spiritual prayer language of the Holy Spirit (and promised to believers by Jesus himself).

 

I think you are confusing indwelling of the Spirit with the baptism of the Spirit. I am with Josheb on this one. Walking in the Spirit doesn't mean that a person is literally encased in the Holy Spirit, it is a phrase meaning that one is doing something (exactly what I am still in the middle of processing).

All one needs to do in order to be able to walk in the Spirit, is have the indwelling Spirit of God (in other words, he is saved and regenerated by the Spirit) - no where in Scripture that I have found is it even hinted at that one must be baptized in the Spirit in order to walk in the Spirit...which reminds me, I found something last night after posting my last posts regarding Romans 8:9...(next post coming up)...

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[SwordMaster]

Romans 8:9
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
 

Remember that in my last update post on this examination, this passage is what kept throwing me for a loop, because it appears to directly contradict verse 4-5 because in those verses, Paul seems to be saying that we cause ourselves to walk in the Spirit, and this verse says that if the Spirit indwells a person, he is automatically walking in the Spirit. And, again, God does not contradict Himself, so further investigation into these verses is necessary, which led me to the following:

Romans 8:9 in Greek:

ὑμεῖς δὲ οὐκ ἐστὲ ἐν σαρκὶ, ἀλλ ἐν πνεύματι, εἴπερ Πνεῦμα Θεοῦ οἰκεῖ ἐν ὑμῖν. εἰ δέ τις Πνεῦμα Χριστοῦ οὐκ ἔχει, οὗτος οὐκ ἔστιν αὐτοῦ. (verse 9 only)

  

The word de is a conjunctive particle which can mean either BUT (an adversative conjunction); AND (a continuative conjunction) or ALSO (an interrupted continuative conjunction) used when a previous thought that has been interrupted is now being returned to for further elaboration.

Most translations miss the way that Paul structures this section of his letter, and so translate it as “but.” In verses 6-8 Paul interrupts his thoughts on those walking in the Spirit and temporarily addresses those walking in the flesh. Then in verse 9 he returns to his thoughts on those walking in the Spirit...so we have translated it accordingly, rendering de as “also” –

  

Also, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, since the Spirit of God is dwelling within you. But, if someone does not have the Spirit of Christ dwelling within him, then he does not belong to Christ.

 

A number of commentators and theologians (Meyer, Barnes, Clarke, Roberts, Jamieson, Faucet, Brown, Zodhiates, etc.) suggest that here Paul isn’t addressing so much the fact of being in the Spirit as he is the ability to be in the Spirit because the believer has the indwelling Spirit of God within them. JFB Commentary continues the thought, “It thus appears that to be “in the Spirit” means here to be under the dominion of our own renewed mind; because the indwelling of God’s Spirit is given as the evidence that we are “in the Spirit.”

In other words, the ability to walk in the Spirit only comes by God’s Spirit dwelling within the believer, and the more the believer renews his mind the greater extent that he will be able to walk in the Spirit, having God’s Word internalized and affecting the background of all that he sees, hears, and thinks.

So, after I came to this last night, there no longer appears to be a conflict between the three verses. In particular, the introduction of renewing one's mind into the discussion hits home with my mind...how can one mind the things of the Spirit if he is still unrenewed in his mind by the Word of God?

 

What do ya'all think?

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[David1701]

19 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

A simplistic answer to a complicated question: we walk in the Spirit by listening for His voice and waiting only upon the Lord. Yes, those who belong to Jesus Christ know His voice; how the Lord chooses to reveal Himself to each of us is a different matter. There are some who simply know... there others who hear His voice without ears (a still, small voice)... and so on. 

 

Amen!

[Waggles]

1Co 12:13  

For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Mathew 3:11 

I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Acts 1:5

for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

[Riverwalker]

24 minutes ago, SwordMaster said:

What do ya'all think?

This opens a door wider to another topic

Is Salvation of the soul (the renewing of the mind) the same as salvation of the spirit?

When we come to Jesus and take him into and make room in our heart for Him, we are saved.  A done deal. God (the Holy Spirit) is with us and He will never forsake us. Salvation is a done deal

But there is still a lot of work to do in turning around our life. In renewing that mind to match the New Creation we have become 

2nd Corinthians 5: 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 

Its time to get busy and change our ways, reprogram our selves to walk in the Spirit, and not in the flesh.  But this is a process and it takes time, it doesn't happen over night.  This is what Paul meant when he wrote:

Philippians 2: 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Because trying to live a double life will just end in devastation of your life.  It is absolutely correct to think that when one becomes saved, they will follow this path, it is inevitable, but how long they will take to make the journey, is different for everyone.

Edited January 30, 2021 by Riverwalker

[Paul James]

1 hour ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Yes, indeed these things are true...but we have gotten off track. How does Scripture tell us to walk in the Spirit?

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The foundation of walking in the Spirit is the total surrender to God's will in what we do, and the overriding desire to glorify Christ in what we do and say.  The practical outworking of it is moderating our conduct and behaviour according to the fruit of the Spirit, and the walk in love as described in 1 Corinthians 13.