Ethical Issue

[Christ's Free Servant]

Here is what the Lord told me:

Psalm 1:1-3: "Blessed is the man

who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked

or stand in the way of sinners

or sit in the seat of mockers.

But his delight is in the law of the LORD,

and on his law he meditates day and night.

He is like a tree planted by streams of water,

which yields its fruit in season

and whose leaf does not wither.

Whatever he does prospers."

Psalm 81:8-10:

[Christ's Free Servant]

Just one last word here from me and then if any of you want to add anything else on the subject, feel free to do so:

When thinking about the two week notice thing, I have essentially given them the two weeks. Last Monday (a week ago) I gave notice to my supervisor that I could not be involved in illegal activity. She chose to lie to me, so it took me a week to research it to find out if what she was telling me was the truth. This week would round up week two of the two week notice, because last Monday I was ready to turn in my two week notice, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt. Last night on the phone the boss asked me that I give him the benefit of the doubt, but I've already done that and he proceeded to offer several scenarios that were all lies and I caught him in each lie which is why he finally said, "well, it's just a LITTLE illegal." That's kind of like "I cheated just a LITTLE." Isn't that one of Satan's greatest ploys to make people think if they do it just a LITTLE it is ok?

Anyway, I'm heading over there this morning to turn in my stuff to them and to retrieve my family photo. Pray all goes well. This was the Lord's word for me this morning:

Psalm 86:11: "Teach me your way, O LORD,

and I will walk in your truth;

give me an undivided heart,

that I may fear your name."

[Kansasdad]

Just one last word here from me and then if any of you want to add anything else on the subject, feel free to do so:

When thinking about the two week notice thing, I have essentially given them the two weeks. Last Monday (a week ago) I gave notice to my supervisor that I could not be involved in illegal activity. She chose to lie to me, so it took me a week to research it to find out if what she was telling me was the truth. This week would round up week two of the two week notice, because last Monday I was ready to turn in my two week notice, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt. Last night on the phone the boss asked me that I give him the benefit of the doubt, but I've already done that and he proceeded to offer several scenarios that were all lies and I caught him in each lie which is why he finally said, "well, it's just a LITTLE illegal." That's kind of like "I cheated just a LITTLE." Isn't that one of Satan's greatest ploys to make people think if they do it just a LITTLE it is ok?

Anyway, I'm heading over there this morning to turn in my stuff to them and to retrieve my family photo. Pray all goes well. This was the Lord's word for me this morning:

Psalm 86:11: "Teach me your way, O LORD,

    and I will walk in your truth;

    give me an undivided heart,

    that I may fear your name."

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It is a great gift to hear what God is telling us and then act. You have great ears Sue, you know when God is speeking. God is at work here Sue in ways you and I may never know. Who knows this may be the start of his work on your (ex)employer. God is using you, he put you in this situation for a reason. Their world may need a little shaking and he needed some one in place that wouldn't cover it up.

God Bless,

Kansas Dad

[refugepsa91]

Good for you Sue.

About 11 years ago (wow I'm showing my age now) my Uncle wanted me to come work for him to get him out of the IRS mess he had gotten himself into...alot of it by paying his employees cash and not filing taxes at all Talk about stressful...I had a headache before I even got there...it took me 6 months just to get the books going again...I and the accountant just decided to start over...I talked with the gentleman at the IRS and worked out a payment plan of the estimated taxes he'd avoided and started to pay up. I worked there for over two years, then I had to leave because I got pregnent and couldn't work there because of the paint fumes (it was a vehicle body shop)

I'm telling this because he went right back into the same practices after I left and he still owns this business to this day. So don't be surprised if this company makes it too. I don't understand how they get away with it...but boy do they sometimes.

Love and Blessings,

Angel

[Christ's Free Servant]

  Good for you Sue.

About 11 years ago (wow I'm showing my age now) my Uncle wanted me to come work for him to get him out of the IRS mess he had gotten himself into...alot of it by paying his employees cash and not filing taxes at all   Talk about stressful...I had a headache before I even got there...it took me 6 months just to get the books going again...I and the accountant just decided to start over...I talked with the gentleman at the IRS and worked out a payment plan of the estimated taxes he'd avoided and started to pay up.  I worked there for over two years,  then I had to leave because I got pregnent and couldn't work there because of the paint fumes (it was a vehicle body shop)

I'm telling this because he went right back into the same practices after I left and he still owns this business to this day.  So don't be surprised if this company makes it too.  I don't understand how they get away with it...but boy do they sometimes.

Love and Blessings,

Angel

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God will hold them to account for their actions. Their time will come.

When I went to return my work stuff and to turn in my time sheet, the boss asked me if I had turned them into the DOL, DOR and the IRS and I said "no." He wanted to know if I had mentioned their name or if I was just making an inquiry for my own benefit. I told him it was the latter. Then, he said he wished I had talked with him (I spoke with the VP who was my immediate supervisor who is also his live-in girlfriend) before I called all those people, but the result would have been the same. He still would have lied and I still would have checked up to see if what he was telling me was the truth. There was no apology for lying to me. He was just concerned about whether or not they were going to have to cover their tails on this one. He said he would give me a good reference and he wished me the best. I thanked him and wished them well, too (well, I said "you, too") and then I left.

There is a lady who used to work with my husband who e-mails us these daily devotionals. Here is the one for today:

"YOU MEANT EVIL AGAINST ME, BUT GOD MEANT IT FOR GOOD." GENESIS 50:20 NAS Look at Joseph

Joseph had to go through the pit and the prison to get to the palace. Let's see what we can learn from him:

(1) Develop yourself during the down times! When you suffer injustice or hardship, complaining doesn't do any good. You're not learning while you're complaining. In every experience there's a lesson. Learn it and grow stronger. When life knocks you down, just make sure it knocks you to your knees.

(2) Realize that self-promotion can never replace divine promotion. Each time Joseph tried to promote himself it worked against him. Look what happened when he asked the butler to recommend him to Pharaoh. Joseph learned the hard way that success comes from God and that we must give Him credit for it. Indeed the only advancement that matters is the kind God gives.

(3) When your dream is realized it may be different than you ever imagined. As a boy Joseph dreamed only of power for his own gain. But God had something bigger in mind, namely saving a nation. If your dream is self-created, don't expect God to get involved in it. What He has in mind will exceed your expectations, benefit others and promote His kingdom - not yours. Pray this prayer: "Lord, help me to see these difficulties as stepping stones to maturity and character. Give me the patience to wait until You open the door, for true promotion comes from You. Help me to remember that I'm blessed for one reason - to be a blessing to others. Amen."

[Christ's Free Servant]

It is a great gift to hear what God is telling us and then act.  You have great ears Sue, you know when God is speeking.  God is at work here Sue in ways you and I may never know.  Who knows this may be the start of his work on your (ex)employer.  God is using you, he put you in this situation for a reason.  Their world may need a little shaking and he needed some one in place that wouldn't cover it up. 

God Bless,

Kansas Dad

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I believe you are right. God is in control. There is a song out there on the radio (Christian) that some of the words had been going through my head the past couple of days - "He gives and takes away, He gives and takes away, Blessed be the name of the Lord."

[Kansasdad]

I love that song, I can't help but want to sing it when I hear it.

[WayneB]

Sue,

I'm late to the discussion but I'll offer my input.

Simply refuse to do payroll the way they want it done. You are in control here.

Explain to the owner that WHEN he is caught, he will lose his business. Something like, "Trying to save a buck today may cost you your business eventually. So you better have a different plan for retirement."

MOST every company tries to cut corners and save money. How many small buisnesses buy one version of Microsoft Office and illegally load it onto 10 computers? Should we quit when we discover that they are doing so? I don't think so. Rather, make them aware that what they are doing is wrong and will eventually lead them to their downfall; refuse to particpate in that activity. Then let them fire you IF they are dumb enough to do so.

May the Lord Bless you richly,

Wayne

[Christ's Free Servant]

Sue,

I'm late to the discussion but I'll offer my input.

Simply refuse to do payroll the way they want it done.  You are in control here. 

Explain to the owner that WHEN he is caught, he will lose his business.  Something like, "Trying to save a buck today may cost you your business eventually.  So you better have a different plan for retirement."

MOST every company tries to cut corners and save money.  How many small buisnesses buy one version of Microsoft Office and illegally load it onto 10 computers?  Should we quit when we discover that they are doing so?  I don't think so.  Rather, make them aware that what they are doing is wrong and will eventually lead them to their downfall; refuse to particpate in that activity.  Then let them fire you IF they are dumb enough to do so.

May the Lord Bless you richly,

Wayne

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Wayne,

Thanks for your input. If you read the last several posts you will see the ultimate decision I came to based upon what the Lord is showing me and based also upon the culmination of the advice offered. I agree that you can't quit every job where the company might be doing something illegal to cut corners, but I was going to be representing this company to the public, working out of my home, while they were gone on vacation, so this was more personal than just working for a company who may or may not be cutting corners to save money. This was a matter of my own personal integrity. And, it was also a decision that I believe God directed. Again, thanks for your input. I appreciate it.

[Christ's Free Servant]

I love that song, I can't help but want to sing it when I hear it.

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What is the name of it and who sings it? Those are the only words I can remember of the song.