The saints (wise virgins) shall be snatched to the cloud means Jesus has not returned yet.

[R. Hartono]

Want verses about the pre-trib. rapture and claims there is none ? Very clear, the saints are caught up to the cloud because Jesus has not return yet but taking these wise virgins home be4 the great tribulation befall the world like a snare.

Luke 21:34 Do not let that Day catch you unaware (it traps the whole world not the aware saints)

1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air......

Caught up = snatched =  harpagēsometha (greek)

https://biblehub.com/text/1_thessalonians/4-17.htm

The saints shall be gathered with the sound of the Rapture Trumpet (not the 7 Trumpet which brings destruction) because how can the Rapture takes place if the Trumpet sound brings destruction to the saints below ? The Rapture Trumpet is sounded in order to send God's angel to gather the saints, not to create the destruction on earth yet :

The Trumpet of Rapture :  

Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Some people say 1 Thes 4:17 is the second coming, which means after Lord Jesus's angels gather the saints to the cloud then Jesus will make a U-Turn in the sky to return the saints to the ground. SMH.

 

THE WORLD WILL NOT WAIL IF JESUS APPEARS IN THE SKY AND THEN LANDED ON EARTH TO HEAL THE WORLD.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

 

The world will cry because they see the saints are taken on the cloud and they are left behind. They will beg "Lord Lord open to us", "...I know you not"

 

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/261481-the-cry-foolish-virgins-left-behind/

Edited December 26, 2021 by R. Hartono

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

The saints shall be gathered with the sound of the Rapture Trumpet

WHERE IS THIS WRITTEN?

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air......

1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

WHO IS HE BRINGING WITH HIM IF THERE ARE NOT ANY ALREADY THERE?

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

WHERE DOES THIS SAY 'RAPTURE TRUMPET'?  

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Hebrews 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

 

[DeighAnn]

2Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

2Timothy 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

2Timothy 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

2Timothy 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

2Timothy 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

2Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

2Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

[DeighAnn]

1Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

1Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

WHERE IS THIS WRITTEN?

No where. That's where.

[Diaste]

It doesn't mean that at all. Jesus coming is in the clouds of the air. Where we are gathered to meet Him.

Sorry bro, pretrib fails. 

[Buddy D. Mouse]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses

It was in an apocryphal book - Testament of Moses or Assumption of Moses - that we are told that J and J were court magicians of Pharoah who copied a lot of the plagues that Moses did