Jedi4Yahweh Posted February 28, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Brother Duke said: We are not saved by works but those that are saved will follow God's instructions. Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Who among us when we have the Holy Spirit dwell in us fully would then deny those instructions from the very spirit of God? Amen...That's what being born again truly means that Jesus spoke of in John 3. Its God putting his Spirit and his Laws within you so that you walk in them. This ties into what Jeremey said about the New Covenant that was to come through Messiah. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. - Jer 31:31-34 KJV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mailmandan Posted March 3, 2021 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 27 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/02/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/29/1966 Share Posted March 3, 2021 In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to validate his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 3, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 hours ago, mailmandan said: In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to validate his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3) I don't think anybody is saying works save. What James is saying true faith has evidence in the form of works. He gave examples such as Abraham proved his faith by the things he did. James said faith and works work hand in hand and faith that does not have work is not real faith at all. For example if I woke you up in the middle of the night and told you that your house is on fire that you need to get up and get your family out or your going to die, and you said, "Ok I believe you", but then you get back in the bed and go back to sleep. Did you really believe? No, because if you really believed me, you would have did what I said. True faith produces works. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted March 3, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,066 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted March 3, 2021 DOES NOT OBEDIENCE REQUIRE WORKS DO WE AGAIN HAVE PEOPLE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE JESUS CHRIST A LIAR ROMANS 6:16 KNOW YOU NOT THAT TO WHOM YOU YIELD YOURSELVES SERVANTS TO OBEY HIS SERVANTS YOU ARE TO WHOM YOU OBEY WHETHER OF SIN UNTO DEATH OR OF OBEDIENCE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS PROVERBS 11:6 THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE UPRIGHT SHALL DELIVER THEM BUT THE TRANSGRESSORS SHALL BE TAKEN IN THEIR OWN NAUGHTINESS ACTS 28:27 FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE IS WAXED GROSS AND THEIR EARS ARE DULL OF HEARING AND THEIR EYES HAVE THEY CLOSED LEST THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM HEBREWS 5:9 AND BEING MADE PERFECT HE BECAME THE AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION UNTO ALL THEM THAT --- OBEY HIM --- EPHESIANS 5:6 let no man --DECEIVE YOU-- with vain words for because of these things cometh the wrath of GOD upon the children of disobedience COLOSSIANS 3:6 for which things sake the wrath of GOD cometh on the ---CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE--- 1 PETER 4:17 for the time is come that judgement must begin at the house of GOD and if it first begin at us what shall the end be of them ----THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF GOD---- 2 THESSALONIANS 1:7 and to you who are troubled rest with us when THE LORD JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with HIS mighty angels --1:8-- in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that ---KNOW NOT GOD AND THAT --OBEY NOT-- THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST--- *******PROVERBS 21:30 THERE IS NO WISDOM NOR UNDERSTANDING NOR COUNSEL AGAINST THE LORD******* LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mailmandan Posted March 3, 2021 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 27 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/02/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/29/1966 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: I don't think anybody is saying works save. What James is saying true faith has evidence in the form of works. He gave examples such as Abraham proved his faith by the things he did. James said faith and works work hand in hand and faith that does not have work is not real faith at all. For example if I woke you up in the middle of the night and told you that your house is on fire that you need to get up and get your family out or your going to die, and you said, "Ok I believe you", but then you get back in the bed and go back to sleep. Did you really believe? No, because if you really believed me, you would have did what I said. True faith produces works. Yes. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debrakay Posted March 3, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,249 Content Per Day: 1.91 Reputation: 3,104 Days Won: 20 Joined: 03/02/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2021 In Matthew 10 the Lord Jesus explains His plans for witnessing to the world's people. It's the heart of each person He looks at first. The rest of the mind, body and spirit will want to serve the Lord in every way possible once the heart is on fire for Him. I move at the nudge of the Holy Spirit when it comes to whom He would have me witness to. I try to be obedient each time but sometimes I lack the faith. He does not love me less when I fail but encourages me to keep moving forward in the race to save the lost. As Christians we tend to get hung up on everything but the main thing. To seek and save the lost. Christian human begins can discuss and argue about everything written but if there is no fruit showing from the lives of those who call themselves Christ Followers that tree is barren. You can find scripture that talks of the barren tree. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted March 5, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,066 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted March 5, 2021 WHO IS IT THAT IS A SERVANT OF CHRIST DO NOT SERVANTS DO THE WORK OF FAITH 2 THESSALONIANS 1:11 wherefore also we pray always for you that our GOD would count you worthy of this calling and fulfil all the good pleasure of HIS goodness and ---THE WORK OF FAITH WITH POWER--- MARK 8:35 for whosoever will --SAVE HIS LIFE-- shall lose it but whosoever shall lose his life ---FOR MY SAKE AND THE GOSPELS--- the same shall save it JAMES 3:17 but the wisdom that is --FROM ABOVE-- is first pure then peaceable gentle and easy to be intreated full of mercy ---AND GOOD FRUITS--- without partiality and without hypocrisy MARK 13:34 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS AS A MAN TAKING A FAR JOURNEY WHO LEFT HIS HOUSE AND GAVE AUTHORITY TO HIS ---SERVANTS--- AND TO EVERY MAN ---HIS WORK--- AND COMMANDED THE PORTER TO WATCH ROMANS 16:6 KNOW YOU NOT THAT TO WHOM YOU YIELD YOURSELVES ---SERVANTS TO OBEY---HIS SERVANTS YOU ARE TO WHOM YOU OBEY WHETHER OF SIN UNTO DEATH OR OF ---OBEDIENCE--- UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS ROMANS 6:22 BUT NOW BEING MADE FREE FROM SIN AND BECOME --- SERVANTS TO GOD --- YOU HAVE YOUR FRUIT UNTO HOLINESS --- HEBREWS 12:14 FOLLOW PEACE WITH ALL MEN AND --HOLINESS-- WITHOUT WHICH --NO MAN-- SHALL SEE THE LORD JEREMIAH 23:9 mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets all my bones shake I am like a drunken man and like a man whom wine hath overcome because of THE LORD and because of the ---WORDS OF HIS HOLINESS--- PROVERBS 8:8 all the words of MY MOUTH ARE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS there is nothing froward or perverse in them LUKE 1:71 that we should be saved from our enemies and from the hand of all that hate us --1:72-- to perform the mercy promised to our fathers and to remember HIS holy covenant --1:73-- the oath which HE sware to our father abraham --1:74-- THAT HE WOULD GRANT UNTO US THAT WE BEING ---DELIVERED--- OUT OF THE HAND OF OUR ENEMIES MIGHT ---SERVE HIM--- WITHOUT FEAR --1:75-- IN HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS BEFORE HIM ALL THE DAYS OF OUR LIFE PROVERBS 11:4 RICHES PROFIT NOT IN THE DAY OF WRATH BUT RIGHTEOUSNESS DELIVERETH FROM DEATH PROVERBS 8:20 I LEAD IN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THE MIDST OF THE PATHS OF JUDGEMENT GALATIANS 1:10 FOR DO I NOW --PERSUADE-- MEN OR GOD OR DO I SEEK TO PLEASE MEN FOR IF I YET PLEASED MEN ---I SHOULD NOT BE THE SERVANT OF CHRIST LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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