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[The Light]

On 3/6/2021 at 1:56 AM, DeighAnn said:

Yes, we are being told TO WATCH (know what is happening, when it is happening, like WHEN YE hear peace and safety, know Christ is on His way because FOR US, who have put on the armor as instructed, He isn't coming as a thief in the night. But those who haven't, He does.  His WORD told us when, since they didn't care to read it, they don't know) and NOT LET OUR HOUSE BE BROKEN INTO
(AKA - do not be deceived by any man, because OUR GATHERING back to Christ doesn't come until AFTER the man of sin is revealed, AND especially DON'T BE THE ONE TAKEN, stay in the field working)

Since we are told 'no gather' till after, PRE TRIB is impossible.  
 

 
 

Oh. I see you feel the need draw some false conclusions.

Since the gathering is from the earth and heaven your conclusion is without merit.

Mark 13

²⁷ And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Since we see the Church in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 before any of the seals are opened and we know that where the body is the eagles will gather, we see the Church comes from heaven to be with the Lord when the 12 tribes (not including the nation of Israel) are  gathered from the earth, just before the wrath of God.

Pre trib is not only possible, but it is fact if you read the Word of God.

[The Light]

On 3/6/2021 at 1:56 AM, DeighAnn said:

 

THERE is a 'magic' verse that tells us EXACTLY when He is coming.  The verse above is an explanation of WHAT to do and WHAT not to do when He does,  but doesn't say  WHEN,  though it does tell us to STAY READY at all times.  And that is Matt, not Luke.  Christ could come for me and not you or for you and not me  RIGHT NOW, couldn't He? And me,  I gonna point to Scriptures and say "I believe this, just as you wrote it and didn't believe the things I COULDN'T FIND written, no matter HOW MUCH anyone tried to tell me 'this is what HE really meant".  I believe when I see it written  "those who SLEEP/DIE are being BROUGHT BACK WITH HIM" or I believed that when I read  " I go to prepare a place for you, so that you can be where I am" knowing  Christ was ascending to  the right hand of God. I believed  I would remain there until YOU BROUGHT ME BACK, that being when you returned as Lord of Lord and King of kings on the DAY of Vengeance and destroyed Satan and his minions (MARK OF THE BEAST) with the Brightness of Your coming and once they were all taken care of,  those who were Alive and remaining were changed and met up with those who had been brought back,  and the Lords Day begun.  

 

Those that sleep are brought back with Him. The dead are raised first. This is the barley harvest. It is a spring harvest. Then the wheat harvest will occur. It is an early summer harvest. 

Matthew 24

³² Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

It will be like the days of Noah when the Church raptured pre trib. Even as Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood, so will the Church be in heaven 7 years before the wrath of God.

[DeighAnn]

8 minutes ago, The Light said:

Oh. I see you feel the need draw some false conclusions.

Since the gathering is from the earth and heaven your conclusion is without merit.

Mark 13

²⁷ And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Since we see the Church in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 before any of the seals are opened and we know that where the body is the eagles will gather, we see the Church comes from heaven to be with the Lord when the 12 tribes (not including the nation of Israel) are  gathered from the earth, just before the wrath of God.

Pre trib is not only possible, but it is fact if you read the Word of God.

WE don't see the church.  The church isn't spoken of in Rev 4.  

UNLESS some how the 'churches'  strictly came to consist of 'Elders' ONLY.  And if that is what you are saying is written then I missed those verses and would sure love to know where to find them.  

BUT the churches ARE given very detailed instructions such as 'overcome' and 

Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

or
And he that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Not unto the beginning of the end, but unto THE END.  What would be the point of giving power over the nations if indeed they were on their way to heaven?  

You seemed to have skipped some important verses that come right before that, don't feel alone, happens all the time when speaking on this THEORY.
  

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mark 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

Mark 13:26 AND THEN SHALL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING  in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

[DeighAnn]

9 minutes ago, The Light said:

Those that sleep are brought back with Him. The dead are raised first. This is the barley harvest. It is a spring harvest. Then the wheat harvest will occur. It is an early summer harvest. 

OMG, another bunch of verses I missed.  Where are WE told this is the BARLEY HARVEST?  Or is that something else just 'added' on by assuming it to be true?  Do fig trees have two harvests?  



What would be the reason all those who have slept in Christ,  would come to 'collect' the church to turn around and go back again?

Doesn't it make more sense if they are coming BACK with Christ because that is where Everyone will be for the Lords Day, where we will reign with Him?  

AND

Once again, Gods Wrath doesn't fall on US, it falls on THEM, the children of disobedience and those who didn't heed the 'do not be deceived' and were taken in by that deception and received the mark of the beast.  After all, they were warned. 

DO NOT BE DECEIVED. 

IF THEY SAY LO THERE IS CHRIST DO NOT BELIEVE THEM 

we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 

AND What are we told in that same chapter?  

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,



What do you believe this 'strong delusion' to be,  

AND WITH  all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Now remaining to the end DOESN'T MEAN you take the mark of the beast, we are told some of us will be thrown into prison,  SO it can't be a belief in the FOR SURE POST TRIB gathering that happens when Christ returns gathering those alive and remaining, so WHAT do you think is being spoken of there?  

AND

What do you think is being referred to here?  It's kinda 'prophetic' wouldn't you say?  

Ezekiel 13:17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,

Ezekiel 13:18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?

19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread,

to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
 

20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunte

And again, you can't be tempted by someone you KNOW is lying, The Word of God, made flesh, GIVES US THE ARMOR, that is how we are KEPT from BEING TEMPTED.  




Seriously, it is all based on ASSUMPTIONS.  ALL of it.  Not once it is WRITTEN.  NO WHERE in Gods Word will you find a 'pre trib' rap of the church.  

WE KNOW FOR SURE, some of the churches will be here.  AND SINCE it is 'ONE' body, that means EVERYONE stays.  

[The Light]

7 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

OMG, another bunch of verses I missed.  Where are WE told this is the BARLEY HARVEST?  Or is that something else just 'added' on by assuming it to be true?  Do fig trees have two harvests?  
 

You really need to study the 7 feasts of Israel. Do you not understand why Israel is to keep those feast days?

And yes, the fig tree has two harvests. Which is why the first rapture will be like the days of Noah where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. Then we are told LIKEWISE ALSO in Luke. Look up the meaning of LIKEWISE ALSO, if you don't know.

Luke 17

²⁷ They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

²⁸ Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

²⁹ But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

When every eye will see the coming of the Lord, in Matt 24, which is the 6th seal of Rev 6 that occurs just before the wrath of God, which is the harvest of Rev 14 which occurs before the wrath of God. It is the 12 tribes across the earth that are raptured from the earth the day that destructions comes (like the days of Lot) 

So in conclusion, yes the fig tree has two harvests, and there is a reason that we are told to learn the parable of the fig tree.

Hos 9

¹⁰ I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

God had planned for the fathers of Israel to be the first fruits of the first harvest of the fig tree. But they served other gods, so the Gentiles will become the 1st harvest. The twelve tribes will be the second harvest of the fig tree. To have a harvest, you need first fruits that are presented to God. If they are found acceptable, it guarantees a harvest.

Rev 14

³ And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

⁴ These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

[DeighAnn]

10 minutes ago, The Light said:

And yes, the fig tree has two harvests. Which is why the first rapture will be like the days of Noah where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. Then we are told LIKEWISE ALSO in Luke. Look up the meaning of LIKEWISE ALSO, if you don't know.

Luke 17:25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.


So as in the days of Noe, SHALL IT BE ALSO. 

Here is another problem FOR THE THEORY. 

IN the days of Noah,

the FALLEN ANGELS HAD ALREADY ARRIVED

And

 THEY WILL HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN AND BE RULING WITH SATAN  here on earth when 

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

And Satans flood of lies will be deceiving the WHOLE world BEFORE 

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
 

Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

GODS WRATH is ONLY going to fall on THOSE WITHOUT THE ARMOR OF GOD, it isn't going to be raining fire and brimstone PRE TRIB SO The Son of man CAN'T BE REVEALED THEN.

Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

CAUSE by the time we get to THIS POINT, Christ is already arriving.  

Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

So please tell me this, do those who believe in the PRE TRIB seek to SAVE their lives or are the SEEKING to preserve it??
 

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

DARKNESS is of Satan, so in that night, NOT in THAT DAY (OF VENGEANCE), one is going to be taken
 

Luke 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

There is going to be death, there is going to be tribulation, but there is not going to be a pre trib rapture.  



YOU do realize that RIGHT BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD is the ending of Satan and the tribulation right?

Cause I have had some people try and tell me that the TRIBULATION is Gods Wrath which is a whole other road cause they don't understand the difference between the two.  

LIKE GOD WOULD SEND THE TWO WITNESSES RIGHT before He unleashed His Wrath upon the world ESPECIALLY if like the pre tribs believe that 'THEY GOTTA ESCAPE' before I GUESS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE FAITH IN GODS ABILITY TO HAVE HIS WRATH FALL ON WHOM HE WOULD WANT IT TO AND NOT ON THOSE HE DOESN'T.  

I guess that must have to do with faith in Gods ability to do what He says he will do and NOT do what he says he won't.  

Or that His wrath would fall before the end of the tribulation/testing  WOULDN'T THAT ALONE keep the others from following after Satan?  It's still all to confusing for me to keep straight.  




 

[The Light]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

GODS WRATH is ONLY going to fall on THOSE WITHOUT THE ARMOR OF GOD, it isn't going to be raining fire and brimstone PRE TRIB SO The Son of man CAN'T BE REVEALED THEN.

Luke 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

CAUSE by the time we get to THIS POINT, Christ is already arriving.  
 

 

We are not appointed to God's wrath. None of God's people are appointed to His wrath.

The Church will be raptured before the 70th week begins. That's why the Church is not mentioned after Rev 3. They are in heaven in Revelation 4. The Church is raptured before the tribulation. They are able to escape ALL THE THINGS that will come to pass. That includes wars and rumors of wars, nation rising against nation, famines and pestilence, all the things mentioned in Luke. These are the things that happen during the seals.

Luke 21

³⁵ For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

³⁶ Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

The 70th week is about the people of Daniel. The twelve tribes across the earth will be raptured BEFORE the wrath of God begins.

Rev 14 

¹⁴ And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

¹⁵ And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

¹⁶ And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

¹⁷ And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

¹⁸ And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

¹⁹ And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

So the Church is raptured before the tribulation, the 12 tribes across the earth are raptured before the wrath of God. Only the nation of Israel and unbelievers will be on earth when the wrath of God happens. The ones that are in Israel that flee as instructed will be in a place of protection and will not experience God's wrath.

You say, CAUSE by the time we get to THIS POINT, Christ is already arriving.  

Christ is arriving IN THE CLOUDS for the gathering from heaven and earth. He is not arriving with His armies from heaven to set his foot on the Mount of Olives. He is arriving for the gathering just prior to the wrath of God.

 

[The Light]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

So please tell me this, do those who believe in the PRE TRIB seek to SAVE their lives or are the SEEKING to preserve it??
 

 

The Church, those who believe, will not be on the earth when the time of trial comes upon the earth. They will be worthy to escape ALL THE THINGS that come to pass. After this happens, God turns His attention to the people of Daniel. That's why there are 144,000 first fruits. They are the first fruits of the coming harvest of the 12 tribes across the earth, as God keeps His promise to His people. Though they were supposed to be the 1st harvest of the fig tree, they served other gods and became the second harvest of the fig tree.

[DeighAnn]

29 minutes ago, The Light said:

We are not appointed to God's wrath. None of God's people are appointed to His wrath.

And since Gods Wrath doesn't fall upon US,

NO MATTER WHERE WE ARE,


how DO YOU COME to the conclusion that you will be TAKEN TO HEAVEN? 


IT JUST DOESN'T SAY THAT IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE.  


PLEASE, PROVE THIS INCORRECT AND SHOW ME ONE, JUST ONE PASSAGE, ONE VERSE, ONE PROPHECY  THAT STATES THAT THE CHURCH EVER,

BE THAT PRE POST OR WHENEVER IS TAKEN TO HEAVEN.  

IF that can't be done, THEN IT IS NOT OF GOD.  

 

[DeighAnn]

26 minutes ago, The Light said:

The Church, those who believe, will not be on the earth when the time of trial comes upon the earth. They will be worthy to escape ALL THE THINGS that come to pass.

AGAIN, show me WHERE ESCAPE means 'TAKEN TO HEAVEN'.