canuckamuck Posted March 23, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 287 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/26/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/07/1967 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Why would Noah assume that he would get any useful information from releasing the birds, or was he just bored? Why did he think they would come back? They could have just hung out on the mountain he was stuck on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted March 23, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 774 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,949 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,984 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 23, 2021 He didnt hv a drone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted March 23, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 23, 2021 We aren't told in scripture, why Noah sent out a raven first. But we do read in verse 7 that the raven while not finding a dry place to land and returned to the ark and kept going to and from the ark, until it did not return. Given their nature, as soon as it found a dry place, it did not come back, very possibly that along with finding a dry place to rest, it also found carrion to feed on, since ravens are a bird of prey primarily. And is a pretty good reason it did not stay or bring back anything that would tell Noah how dry the ground was. Basically the bird itself, served as a gauge to a point. The dove, also served as a gauge in regard to the environment. The dove is primarily a seed-eater, came back after the first release is a pretty good indication that any vegetation that would have been part of its diet was not found. Plus not finding a dry place to rest. The second release of the dove had indicated that the watered had receded, but the dove again not find nourishment according to its diet, returned bringing a leaf back telling Noah that the waters had receded but not enough for the dove to find a resting place. In The third release, the dove did not return telling Noah more about the environment. For the dove at that point, in all probability, had found sustenance and rest away from the ark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyme Posted March 23, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 82 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,300 Content Per Day: 1.96 Reputation: 1,125 Days Won: 10 Joined: 02/16/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted March 23, 2021 A dove represents the Holy Spirit if im not mistaken. Perhaps God's spirit goes out searching for a foothold in man's heart. Only when the waters of judgment recede does the Spirit find a foothold in the contrite heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted March 23, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.30 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted March 23, 2021 16 hours ago, canuckamuck said: Why would Noah assume that he would get any useful information from releasing the birds, or was he just bored? Why did he think they would come back? They could have just hung out on the mountain he was stuck on. Without going back to read that part of the Bible, I don't believe the ark was stuck on any mountain - it was in the water. The birds would have kept returning to the ark until they could find dry land. Once they found dry land, Noah knew the end of the flood was in sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted March 23, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said: Without going back to read that part of the Bible, I don't believe the ark was stuck on any mountain - it was in the water. The birds would have kept returning to the ark until they could find dry land. Once they found dry land, Noah knew the end of the flood was in sight. Genesis 8:4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. The water had receded enough that the boat was grounded and unable to go anywhere, but yet there was no dry place for either bird to rest. So they returned to the ark where it was dry. Animals, aside from water loving birds, such as ducks and geese for example; do NOT like to rest on damp ground. Animals always seek a dry place if possible unless they have no choice at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 23, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) The bible teaches that Noah was a righteous man that walked with God and a preacher of righteousness to a corrupt and evil generation. Noah was a prophet that heard from God. God divinely instructed Noah how to build the Ark so it would also be plausible that God also instructed him regarding which of the birds to release to determine if there was any dry earth. Edited March 28, 2021 by Jedi4Yahweh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted March 24, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,823 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 4,812 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/22/2021 at 9:43 PM, canuckamuck said: Why would Noah assume that he would get any useful information from releasing the birds, or was he just bored? Why did he think they would come back? They could have just hung out on the mountain he was stuck on. Sending out those birds gave Noah VALUABLE information. The ark had rested, but it was not safe to leave and go outside right away. They sat there for three months before the tops of the mountains became visible. 40 days after that, Noah sent out the raven. It never came back. Why? Because there were far too many dead bodies to feast upon and also floating in the water. Not safe for humans or some of the other animals. Next he sent out the dove three times. First time - the dove came back to Noah. Why? Doves nest in trees and shrubs. There were none for her to find. Second time - the dove brought back an olive leaf - there was land. Third time - the dove did not come back. She must have found somewhere safe to nest. It STILL was not time to leave the ark. Noah waiting a while longer. He finally opened the door, but did NOT leave until God told him to. There is a sermon in that. And when he did leave, he made an altar and offered sacrifices to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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