There are words I have never heard in the bible

[Riverwalker]

2 minutes ago, Sparks said:

You're mistaken.  People do it all the time, and people also worship fake gods with the same reasoning and zeal that they will falsely worship our God.  It happens every day, sometimes by very big churches. 

I completly disagree, if it is not done is spirit and in truth, it is not worship. Worship is an interactive experience

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[Riverwalker]

5 minutes ago, Sparks said:

Satan loves political correctness, by the way.  Hopefully my tone offends him

He also really loves it when the body of Christ starts to hack itself apart,

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[Sparks]

3 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

He also really loves it when the body of Christ starts to hack itself apart,

I think you are overly sensitive for some reason.  No one is hacking anyone.

[Riverwalker]

7 minutes ago, Sparks said:

I think you are overly sensitive for some reason.  No one is hacking anyone.

hmmmm...time to end this discussion I think

 

Edited April 1, 2021 by Riverwalker

[Sparks]

54 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

I completly disagree, if it is not done is spirit and in truth, it is not worship. Worship is an interactive experience

People worship all kind of things and think it's done in spirit and truth, and people have even interacted with demons thinking it's God because they don't know better, and demons do a lot of pretending.

Satan's goal is to distort the truth to mislead you and and in some cases, produce a false assurance of salvation.  I am sure well meaning Christians join the Freemasons, and think they are worshiping our God in those rituals that are actually dedicated to Satan.   Christians wanting to take control of their health will often practice yoga, without realizing they are doing a lot of gestural Hindu praying to another god.

I suppose it's OK if you think the term Christian means only what you think it means, but why would you believe everyone believes it has the same meaning you believe?  I keep pointing out how the term has been twisted over time to mean anything a person wants it to mean, which is a deception by Satan.  While it's OK to call yourself Christian, beware that others who do might not mean the same thing you do, when they say it.

[Riverwalker]

7 minutes ago, Sparks said:

People worship all kind of things and think it's done in spirit and truth, and people have even interacted with demons thinking it's God because they don't know better, and demons do a lot of pretending.

Satan's goal is to distort the truth to mislead you and and in some cases, produce a false assurance of salvation.  I am sure well meaning Christians join the Freemasons, and think they are worshiping our God in those rituals that are actually to Satan.   Christians wanting to take control of their health will often practice yoga, without realizing they are doing a lot of gestural Hindu praying to another god.

I suppose it's OK if you think the term Christian means only what you think it means, but why would you believe everyone believes it has the same meaning you believe?  I keep pointing out how the term has been twisted over time to mean anything a person wants it to mean, which is a deception by Satan.  While it's OK to call yourself Christian, beware that others who do might not mean the same thing when they say it.

Commenting because you bring up an important.

But I have to default to this, what people say or do, what satan wants or does, has no effect at all on Christianity.  (It effects people) Christianity is of God and there is no power in this world our out that can effect what Christianity is.  The only power anyone has is what effect Christianity is allowed to have in their life. In your words, if they accept the gift or not. No amount of noise the devil or people bring can interfere with the relationship between God and the Believer, or God and the Seeker.

He who seeks, WILL find

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, Sparks said:

Good.

You will find people who claim they were 'once Christian,' only to learn they thought they were Christian because their family was Christian, or that they joined a church and made a donation.  Later, it all wears off because they never accepted the Gift and are really still unsaved, and Earthly.  It happens all the time.  As I said, the term Christian helps this confusion.

Correct. 

Plenty of people never choose to accept this gift, but often will claim to be Christian.

It is accepted by prayer, as instructed in Romans 10:9-10 which is scripture that explains the reasoning of that prayer.  And it is the Lord who offers His grace, not us.  It is we who have faith (trust) in Him.

How can a person know if someone else has not accepted the gift?

Is the gift accepted from the heart or mind or both or none of those?

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[Sparks]

12 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

No amount of noise the devil or people bring can interfere with the relationship between God and the Believer, or God and the Seeker.

If saved, that's true although Satan can still temp those saved.  God is the truth, but Satan can change a persons mind before a person is saved.   It's a fatalist view that just because you think of God before you are saved that you will somehow always choose Him.

13 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

He who seeks, WILL find

But those who dabble may not.

[Riverwalker]

1 minute ago, Sparks said:

But those who dabble may not.

Well then that is the defining point isn't it?  What makes a Christian and what does not

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 but Satan can change a persons mind before a person is saved.

No he cannot. the ONLY power satan has is the power we give him.  He can tempt us to doubt and unbelieve but it only effects a person should they choose to heed it

1 Peter 5:8

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Unless we open ourselves up to His wiles, he has no power over us.

 

[Sparks]

46 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

No he cannot. 

Sure Satan can tempt you so long as you exist in the flesh.  He can tempt us which is why we ask God to lead us from temptation.   It's a weakness of being in the flesh.

A Christian that has committed adultery went into that sin knowing it was wrong, but they did it anyway due to temptation.  Sometimes that sin is months in the planning, and the Christian is ignoring the guard rails the Holy Spirit is showing them.  It's why a Christian feels so much guilt when they sin, after they have sobered and the temptation has passed.   

Your scripture and statements make my point.