Praying in the Mind vs Praying in the Spirit

[Guest kingdombrat]

6 hours ago, Sower said:

I'd be interested to know the scripture where that statement is located.
Thanks kingdombrat.................

Romans 8:

26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

 

This Version kind of explains it better in detail:

26 Thus also He, The Rukha {The Spirit}, helps our frailty, for, what to pray for, according to what is proper, we don't know, but rather, He, The Rukha {The Spirit} prays for us, in groans that are not spoken.

[Sower]

Just now, kingdombrat said:

Romans 8:

26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

 

This Version kind of explains it better in detail:

26 Thus also He, The Rukha {The Spirit}, helps our frailty, for, what to pray for, according to what is proper, we don't know, but rather, He, The Rukha {The Spirit} prays for us, in groans that are not spoken.

Yes! I'm familiar with those verses.
But as to my question, it concerned the the statement you made below;

"But Praying in the Spirit through the Gift of Tongues, is where God Divinely intervenes"

When I pray I always it was a prayer not in the flesh, but in the spirit.
I know a lot of born again believers who do not 'pray' in tongues, nor have the gift of tongues.
Are you saying "through the Gift of Tongues, is where God Divinely intervenes"   is the only way, or the best way, to pray in the spirit? I did not see tongues praying in your verses. Only the spirit of God making unspoken un uttered groans.
Thank you for your reply, kingdombrat..
Ps, sometimes when praying, I myself ask the spirit to help me and 'hear' my heart and take the words to the Father.

[Guest kingdombrat]

13 minutes ago, Sower said:

Yes! I'm familiar with those verses.
But as to my question, it concerned the the statement you made below;

"But Praying in the Spirit through the Gift of Tongues, is where God Divinely intervenes"

When I pray I always it was a prayer not in the flesh, but in the spirit.
I know a lot of born again believers who do not 'pray' in tongues, nor have the gift of tongues.
Are you saying "through the Gift of Tongues, is where God Divinely intervenes"   is the only way, or the best way, to pray in the spirit? I did not see tongues praying in your verses. Only the spirit of God making unspoken un uttered groans.
Thank you for your reply, kingdombrat..
Ps, sometimes when praying, I myself ask the spirit to help me and 'hear' my heart and take the words to the Father.

I placed Speaking in Tongues for how Paul explained the benefits of what happens when Tongues is Spoken.   There is [Edification] to God and like Believers.   The Edifying of God and like Believers is the part where God Divinely intervenes.   And Tongues can truthfully only happen when Praying in the Spirit and never when just Praying in the carnal mind.   God lives within our Soul, not our Mind.   Thus is why the Verse specifies the Holy Spirit groans through us which is the same manner when the Holy Spirit Speaks in Tongues through us.

[Waggles]

12 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

So, what's the Difference?

The difference is personal prayer versus the gift of kinds of tongues that operates in a church meeting with interpretation and prophecy.

The Corinthians were showing off and completely out of order with everybody speaking in tongues at the same time. Paul is writing to them the rules of orderly worship and tells them how to do it - 1Corinthians 14.

Obviously speaking in tongues is not for teaching doctrine and for conducting the process of a communion service. Thus Paul admonishes them over their unruly behaviour and conduct. 

In the end Paul lays out the parameters for the proper conduct - done decently and in order - of the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit in a church meeting - speaking in tongues followed by interpretation up to a max of 3 times [this is a sign to unbelievers that they may know that speaking/praying in tongues is from God] - then up to 3 gifts of prophesying one after another. 

This is how we do it in accordance with scripture.

[Guest clancy]

13 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

If you have something you want to say to the Lord, I think you just say it.

Amen! Brother, there is nothing complicated in talking and praying to God, as we are born again, it’s an Honour and a Privilege for Him to hear us, as we are “His Own” children of Faith!

Edited April 28, 2021 by clancy

[Guest kingdombrat]

5 hours ago, clancy said:

Amen! Brother, there is nothing complicated in talking and praying to God, as we are born again, it’s an Honour and a Privilege for Him to hear us, as we are “His Own” children of Faith!

And still there is Praying where it us with our mind talking to God and there is Prayer where God talks back to us.   

Which [Cause and Effect] would you desire best, a 1 way conversation or a 2 way conversation?

[Guest clancy]

4 hours ago, kingdombrat said:

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by clancy