Pointing out hypocrisy and bigotry.

[Whyme]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

I would hazard that Paul did it to advance the gospel. Appealing to Caesar guaranteed him an audience with the emperor.

And what about advancing the truth? If i accused your Church of false teaching, wouldnt you defend the truth?

[Whyme]

Lets say someone like Hitler was alive today, and he slandered the Jewish people, falsely accusing and persecuting them. Would we just pray or would we also speak up? What about Martin Luther King? Was he wrong to speak up for justice? 

Proverbs 6:16 There are six things the Lord hates,
    seven that are detestable to him:
17         haughty eyes,
        a lying tongue,
        hands that shed innocent blood,
18         a heart that devises wicked schemes,
        feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19         a false witness who pours out lies
        and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
 

[Hopefully]

“So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He that is without sin among you — He that is not guilty (his own conscience being the judge) either of the same sin or of some nearly resembling it; let him — As a witness; first cast a stone at her.

Our Lord’s meaning was, Persons exceedingly zealous in getting punishment executed on others, ought to be free themselves at least from gross sins; for which cause, as you are all guilty of equal, or greater, or, it may be, the like offences, and deserve the wrath of God, you should show mercy to this sinner, who may have fallen through the strength of temptation, rather than of evil inclination, and who is now truly sorry for her offense.

And he again stooped down and wrote on the ground — Giving them an opportunity to withdraw, which they embraced; and being convicted by their own consciences — That is, their consciences smiting them with remorse, because, at some time or other of their lives, they had been guilty, either of the very sin for which they proposed to have this woman stoned, or of some crime or crimes equally great: they went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last.

Those are self-condemned who judge others, and yet do the same thing. All who are any way called to blame the faults of others, are especially concerned to look to themselves, and keep themselves pure. 

But we should not leave our own work, to take that upon ourselves to which we are not called. When Christ sent her away, it was with this caution, Go, and sin no more. Those who help to save the life of a criminal, should help to save the soul with the same caution. Those are truly happy, whom Christ does not condemn. Christ's favour to us in the forgiveness of past sins should prevail with us, Go then, and sin no more.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/john/8-7.htm
 

 

 

 

[Whyme]

20 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

“So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He that is without sin among you — He that is not guilty (his own conscience being the judge) either of the same sin or of some nearly resembling it; let him — As a witness; first cast a stone at her.

Our Lord’s meaning was, Persons exceedingly zealous in getting punishment executed on others, ought to be free themselves at least from gross sins; for which cause, as you are all guilty of equal, or greater, or, it may be, the like offences, and deserve the wrath of God, you should show mercy to this sinner, who may have fallen through the strength of temptation, rather than of evil inclination, and who is now truly sorry for her offense.

And he again stooped down and wrote on the ground — Giving them an opportunity to withdraw, which they embraced; and being convicted by their own consciences — That is, their consciences smiting them with remorse, because, at some time or other of their lives, they had been guilty, either of the very sin for which they proposed to have this woman stoned, or of some crime or crimes equally great: they went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last.

Those are self-condemned who judge others, and yet do the same thing. All who are any way called to blame the faults of others, are especially concerned to look to themselves, and keep themselves pure. 

But we should not leave our own work, to take that upon ourselves to which we are not called. When Christ sent her away, it was with this caution, Go, and sin no more. Those who help to save the life of a criminal, should help to save the soul with the same caution. Those are truly happy, whom Christ does not condemn. Christ's favour to us in the forgiveness of past sins should prevail with us, Go then, and sin no more.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/john/8-7.htm
 

 

 

 

But that scripture speaks of someone who is guilty of sin. Im talking about people who are falsely accused of sin. Why wouldn't you plead your case for innocence instead of reciting that scripture? Wouldn't people think you are admitting to sin?

Edited May 3, 2021 by Whyme

[Hopefully]

13 minutes ago, Whyme said:

Im talking about people who are falsely accused of sin.

I thought you were asking about Pointing out hypocrisy; the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform, and wether speaking on it was it judging or speaking truth and justice so I was writing on that. 
 

My first post was to show we are expected to speak out if we ourselves are not currently guilty of the same or worse, and the second post is to show the mindset we should have while doing it.

Edited May 3, 2021 by Hopefully

[Sower]

15 minutes ago, Whyme said:

So if i accuse you of something horrible, you wont deny it? Wont people wonder why you didnt deny it? How is calling out hypocrisy or injustice the same as reviling? Its not is it? 

Of course I would deny it.
An injustice would depend upon the circumstance.
Would it honor God, or just get my due/revenge.
The purpose/reason for confrontation would be the deciding factor.
But we shouldn't render evil for evil, or reviling for reviling, as those scripture states.
A reviler is a person who assaults others with his tongue, who makes false accusations, who guilt's and shames his targeted victim.
Scripturaly exposing hypocrisy or injustice is not the same as reviling.
But I believe there are times to be silent, and times to speak up.
With the spirit guiding, you will have to decide your own action.
I gave you some scripture to consider, if applicable. You decide.
 

[Whyme]

20 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

I thought you were asking about Pointing out hypocrisy; the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform, and wether speaking on it was it judging or speaking truth and justice so I was writing on that. 
 

My first post was to show we are expected to speak out if we ourselves are not currently guilty of the same or worse, and the second post is to show the mindset we should have while doing it.

Yes you're correct, thank you. I guess i shifted gears a bit since the OP, my apologies. 

[Guest clancy]

I fell out with a friend a few days back, she was constantly putting me down, the final straw came when she told me to take a good look at myself, in the heat of the moment I reacted back, I am not a perfect human being, but thanks to God my mind is extremely strong in Christ, when she also denies scripture and won’t discuss it , this has been going on for over a year now, I’ve had to walk away, God’s in the situation, I look to him as of what I do regarding my friend, I never look to others ,because it can then get very complicated, to be honest,I feel a sense of relief being away from her, she probably feels the same about me, but,I leave it in the Lords hands.

[Whyme]

6 minutes ago, Sower said:

Of course I would deny it.
An injustice would depend upon the circumstance.
Would it honor God, or just get my due/revenge.
The purpose/reason for confrontation would be the deciding factor.
But we shouldn't render evil for evil, or reviling for reviling, as those scripture states.
A reviler is a person who assaults others with his tongue, who makes false accusations, who guilt's and shames his targeted victim.
Scripturaly exposing hypocrisy or injustice is not the same as reviling.
But I believe there are times to be silent, and times to speak up.
With the spirit guiding, you will have to decide your own action.
I gave you some scripture to consider, if applicable. You decide.
 

Thank you.

[Whyme]

11 minutes ago, clancy said:

I fell out with a friend a few days back, she was constantly putting me down, the final straw came when she told me to take a good look at myself, in the heat of the moment I reacted back, I am not a perfect human being, but thanks to God my mind is extremely strong in Christ, when she also denies scripture and won’t discuss it , this has been going on for over a year now, I’ve had to walk away, God’s in the situation, I look to him as of what I do regarding my friend, I never look to others ,because it can then get very complicated, to be honest,I feel a sense of relief being away from her, she probably feels the same about me, but,I leave it in the Lords hands.

We have no obligation to be friends with such people, to be friendly yes but not friends. The scriptures teach us not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers.

Edited May 3, 2021 by Whyme