Is this fair? ( Covid Q.)

[BeyondET]

3 hours ago, LadyKay said:

I don't get some people here. Some of you say your not afraid to die so you do not care if you get covid. Then the vaccine comes alone and your afraid to get the vaccine because you think the vaccine might kill you.  I don't get it. 

huh in this thread or another?

[LadyKay]

4 hours ago, BeyondET said:

huh in this thread or another?

Oh all over. There is like what 2 or 3 threads on vaccines going on?

[just_abc]

On 5/5/2021 at 5:19 AM, BeyondET said:

Some of that is true, yet there isn't a global campaign for vaccinations only the countries that have the money vast amount of countries don't have enough supply's but their cases are very low. of the 6 countries that have over 10k cases a day are only 6 and i know India being the highest but after top 5 it drops off a lot. there are about 220 countries in the world and just 42 are reporting case over a 1,000 a day and 6 are over 10k.

 

hi..  just a small note.

Some thoughts.

1.  The number of daily cases vary from day to day.  So the number of countries that have more than 1000 cases per day can also vary over time.  Sometimes they might be more.. sometimes they might be less..  as countries battle second or third waves etc.

In addition I am wondering if perhaps the figure in some countries might be in question because some countries might be doing little testing.. or be currently having war or conflict etc.. so the exact number of cases perhaps might be difficult to know?  Just wondering.  

2.  Also I think that just the raw number of cases.. sometimes might not fully portray the situation in a particular country compared to others..

For example.. if a country has a population of say 1 billion people.. then perhaps 1000 cases might seem like a relatively small percentage of the population.  But if a country has a population of just 1 million  i.e  1,000,000 people.. then 1000 cases a day every day.. is a much bigger percentage of the population.  

Also.. different countries might have different amount of healthcare facilities to cope with a surge of cases..  For example..if a country has only limited number of ICU beds..  then even if the number of beds needed increased by several hundred.. that might still overwhelm the system there..  possibly leaving people unable to get the treatment they need to survive..  And this could impact not just covid patients.. but also others needing treatment for other conditions or injuries.. but who might not be able to access ICU beds either..

So I think with regards to Covid data..sometimes comparing countries can be a bit difficult perhaps..

Sorry this is a rather long post.  But just wanted to share some thoughts.

Thanks.  

 

Edited May 7, 2021 by just_abc

[BeyondET]

35 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

Oh all over. There is like what 2 or 3 threads on vaccines going on?

Ok i will take your word on it

[BeyondET]

29 minutes ago, just_abc said:

hi..  just a small note.

Some thoughts.

1.  The number of daily cases vary from day to day.  So the number of countries that have more than 1000 cases per day can also vary over time.  Sometimes they might be more.. sometimes they might be less..  as countries battle second or third waves etc.

In addition I am wondering if perhaps the figure in some countries might be in question because some countries might be doing little testing.. or be currently having war or conflict etc.. so the exact number of cases perhaps might be difficult to know?  Just wondering.  

2.  Also I think that just the raw number of cases.. sometimes might not fully portray the situation in a particular country compared to others..

For example.. if a country has a population of say 1 billion people.. then perhaps 1000 cases might seem like a relatively small percentage of the population.  But if a country has a population of just 1 million  i.e  1,000,000 people.. then 1000 cases a day every day.. is a much bigger percentage of the population.  

Also.. different countries might have different amount of healthcare facilities to cope with a surge of cases..  For example..if a country has only limited number of ICU beds..  then even if the number of beds needed increased by several hundred.. that might still overwhelm the system there..  possibly leaving people unable to get the treatment they need to survive..  And this could impact not just covid patients.. but also others needing treatment for other conditions or injuries.. but who might not be able to access ICU beds either..

So I think with regards to Covid data..sometimes comparing countries can be a bit difficult perhaps..

Sorry this is a rather long post.  But just wanted to share some thoughts.

Thanks.  

 

thank you, i agree those are other things to consider good points

[ladypeartree]

I thought this was about if it was fair or not to force people to get the vaccine 

[just_abc]

1 hour ago, ladypeartree said:

I thought this was about if it was fair or not to force people to get the vaccine 

I am very sorry.  I was off topic again.  

 

[PeterR]

On 5/6/2021 at 5:06 PM, kingdombrat said:

Please understand, I went through a period in my own life I would assess the situation and think, I can make it through.   I was [completely] fooling myself to think I literally had the power to protect myself.   But I see it all of the time.   I see Christians profess Faith but when they face trials, the first thing they do is figure it out for them self like they can have that power over circumstance to keep them safe.   That is not Faith in God, that is Faith in oneself.

I hope you don't see my posts as fighting. My point of view is definitely different from yours when it comes to facing trials or who we entrust our lives to, who we rely on. I believe that God's creation does not need to be modified in order to try to improve it, because man can only spoil it. Using an emergency medical service is another matter entirely.
The successors of the Apostolic Church have always entrusted their paths to the Lord. Especially every time they were oppressed by the rulers of this world. Christians (Christ's followers) have never disappeared from the face of the earth, whether you believe it or not. I don't know if the following quote will give you faith or knowledge, or maybe make you reflect, but at least know that for many, faith / trust may be more than you know from your own experience.

 

"When the Church came into contact with the Roman Empire, a conflict ensued in which all the resources of that mighty power were exhausted in a vain endeavour to vanquish those who never resisted or retaliated, but bore all for love of the Lord in whose footsteps they were following. However much the churches were divided in view and practice, they were united in suffering and victory. Although the Christians were admittedly good subjects, their faith forbade their offering incense or giving divine honours to the Emperor or to the idols. Thus they were looked upon as being disloyal to the Empire, and , as idol worship entered into the daily life of the people, into its religion and business and amusements, the Christians were hated for their separation from the world around them. Severe measures were directed against them, at first spasmodic and local, but by the end of the first century it had been made illegal to be a Christian; persecution became systematic, and extended over the whole Empire. There were considerable intervals of respite, but with each recurrence the attack became more violent; all the possessions of the confessors of Christ were confiscated, they were imprisoned, and not only were they put to death in countless numbers, but every imaginable torture was added to their punishment. 

[...]

Pagan religions were not at first persecuted, but, beign deprived of State support, steadily declined. The profession of Christianity was favoured. Laws abolishing abuses and protecting the weak brought in a measure of prosperity not know before.
The churches, freed from oppression from without, entered upon a new experience. Many had preserved their primitive simplicity, but many had been affected by the profound inward changes in their costitution which have been noted, and were very different from the New Testament churches of Apostolic days. Their entry on a larger sphere will exhibit the effects of these changes." 

- The Pilgrim Church - E. H. Broadbent

 

... The persecuted soon became persecutors, images replaced God in churches, and the rulers of this world became idols for many ...

Greetings.

 

 

[Marathoner]

On 5/6/2021 at 10:25 AM, LadyKay said:

I don't get some people here. Some of you say your not afraid to die so you do not care if you get covid. Then the vaccine comes alone and your afraid to get the vaccine because you think the vaccine might kill you.  I don't get it. 

You stated it better than I could. Brilliant.

[Sparks]

On 5/6/2021 at 12:25 PM, LadyKay said:

I don't get some people here. Some of you say your not afraid to die so you do not care if you get covid. Then the vaccine comes alone and your afraid to get the vaccine because you think the vaccine might kill you.  I don't get it. 

Just because we are not afraid of death does not mean we wish to take something that is most likely bad for us.  I don't drink White Lightning for the same reasoning, because I would prefer not to risk losing my eye sight over something I would not care to drink in the first place.  The wisdom in not drinking something injurious should not be confused with the fear of death; it has more to do with avoiding needless harm. 

To me, being afraid of Covid 19 is the equivalent to be afraid of nothing and then acting based on that nothing by rushing out and taking an unapproved, high-risk experimental vaccine for it.  I cannot see the point in taking the vaccine when I do not fear Covid 19, at all.

I have to wonder if those who took the shot and died right there in their chair, if they felt it was worth the risk?  If you could somehow revive them from death just long enough to ask about the risk they took, how many would claim it was worth it, and that they would take that the shot all over again?