Is this fair? ( Covid Q.)

[Figure of eighty]

I was talking to a friend of mine that said his job is making it mandatory to get the vaccine. We both share the same views and arent eager to get it. We arent anti vax just not comfortable with a rushed one. 

Now the thing is he works remote so I thought he was fine since he was at home but they still want him vaccinated. 

I just dont understand since hed be at home. 

 

Idk i just dont like where this is headed.

[Sower]

23 minutes ago, Figure of eighty said:

I was talking to a friend of mine that said his job is making it mandatory to get the vaccine. We both share the same views and arent eager to get it. We arent anti vax just not comfortable with a rushed one. 

 

 

 

[BeyondET]

Sounds little crazy it’s not fully known, Covid19 vaccines can cause severe medical complications and lead to death in some people. There is no way to know how it will affect you. I know the data is rare on people dying but are company’s willing to fork out added life insurance for forcing the workers to take it and they happen to be the unlucky one. O well need a knew employee.

So far people are not having any major issues but it’s only been couple of months of shot giving. What happens in a couple of years is unknown.

996 deaths they say a bit back and it’s with O but this or that it’s not really the shot there’s no link it’s safe. Well the flu shot on average kills 9 out of 140 million annual shots given. So I know there are deaths involved with this shot but how many over years, or even now are they pushing it off as had heart problems. Rather it given plainly then beating around bush.

well least they are mentioning the rare six months data of no evidence of death after COVID-19 vaccination “3,848 deaths of the ones who the providers couldn’t treat effectively” seems high in six months yet no evidence of deaths from the vaccine not even 1 or 9 wow better than the flu shot. At the end paragraph shouldn’t it be better to look for deaths including adverse events.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

 

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction.

CDC and FDA scientists have evaluated reports from people who experienced a type of severe allergic reaction—anaphylaxis—after getting a COVID-19 vaccine. Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States based on events reported to VAERS. This kind of allergic reaction almost always occurs within 30 minutes after vaccination. Fortunately, vaccination providers have medicines available to effectively and immediately treat patients who experience anaphylaxis following vaccination.  Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions.

To date, Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines.

FDA requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS.

Reports of death to VAERS following vaccination do not necessarily mean the vaccine caused the death.

CDC follows up on any report of death to request additional information and learn more about what occurred and to determine whether the death was a result of the vaccine or unrelated.

CDC, FDA, and other federal partners will continue to monitor the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.

Over 230 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through April 26, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 3,848 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.

Edited May 4, 2021 by BeyondET

[R. Hartono]

50 minutes ago, Sower said:

 

A teacher in this nation was paralyzed n her sight blurred after the jab, the brutal thing is the people from Health Dept denied it is caused by vaccine, they will just say no direct connection every where for those that even died like in south Korea.

 

 

[BeyondET]

Took to long 2003 the 76 swine flu vaccine incident and still not sure why the vaccine turns on GBS, will symptoms pop up in a couple of years it’s not impossible not trying to freak folks out or stop from taking something to decide personally but not a company. Though if they do pop up the whole world will either say it was for the greater good or bury it or a combo of both. But these days I doubt even if behind the scenes a country missed up it would not go public. Might be better than the worse case scenario fully mutated people killer and continue with the vaccine, in which they would not present it like that. if it was designed in a lab and shouldn’t have there are bio warfare labs so, there’s treaties between countries but who is watching each other’s dungeons of weapons.

https://www.livescience.com/21504-swine-flu-vaccine-nerve-disorder-gbs.html

During the 1976 swine flu outbreak in the United States, health authorities reported an unusually high number of GBS cases, nearly 1,100 — half of which occurred after immunization against the flu. Panic ensued, and the vaccine program ended by December that year.

Doctors debated the connection then, and it took nearly 30 years before the prestigious U.S.-based Institute of Medicine concluded in 2003 that there was a causal relationship and that one extra person out of a million contracted GBS as a result of the vaccination.

The results of the new Quebec study on the 2009 H1N1 flu strain of swine origin are eerily similar to the conclusions drawn from the dozens of studies on the 1976 swine flu outbreak. Is there something about vaccines for flu strains of swine origin that can trigger GBS?

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/swine-flu-vs-covid-19

Swine flu was detected first in the US and then spread across the country and eventually the world, and it contained a blend of flu genes that hadn't been previously seen in animals or people, the CDC says. "It was a new virus that jumped from pigs to humans," Dr. Adalja says. (Similarly, COVID-19 is also a zoonotic disease—which means it jumped from animals to humans—though there's no clear path as of right now.)

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by BeyondET

[ladypeartree]

Why does he think it is ok to make everyone else get a jab be he gets to refuse it ?

[Riverwalker]

No it is not fair, as we are not even sure if the vaccines are all that effective with the way viruses mutate

There are just too many unknowns about these vaccines for virus with a 99%+ survival rate.  And the guilt and shame tactics being used are reprehensible.

This reminds of those pharmaceutical commercials.  "Bialto may have several side effects including your arms falling off, the sudden growth of a conjoined twin or death...but if you survive you will never have to deal with toenail fungus again"

Edited May 4, 2021 by Riverwalker

[Starise]

7 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

There are just too many unknowns about these vaccines for virus with a 99%+ survival rate.

I feel I have to bring this up. Millions of people have died and are dying from the virus. Statistics are easy to skew.

Go tell the widow of a man who died from the virus there's a 99% survival rate.

FACT- MILLIONS have died from the virus. India is presently inundated with too many sick people to handle. Survival rate? Depends on if you can get fresh oxygen in time. I would venture to say the survival in India right now is MUCH lower.

Talk to the nurses who manned the emergency wards in hospitals all across the US, who seen many people die in hospital hallways because they could not get help to them in time.

If vaccines were not available things would be much worse.

It's easy to say the survival rate is excellent coming off the slope. Don't forget what it can be like if we had not acted on it fast.

Many countries are still struggling with high death rates.

Don't think that YOU couldn't get it and die from it.

[ladypeartree]

I am not against the vaccine but I AM totally against the people trying to force it on others ..oh and the latest "advice " here is that having only 1 jab leaves you far more likely to get one of the new "variants " if you come into contact before you get the second jab 

[Riverwalker]

43 minutes ago, Starise said:

I feel I have to bring this up. Millions of people have died and are dying from the virus. Statistics are easy to skew.

Go tell the widow of a man who died from the virus there's a 99% survival rate.

FACT- MILLIONS have died from the virus. India is presently inundated with too many sick people to handle. Survival rate? Depends on if you can get fresh oxygen in time. I would venture to say the survival in India right now is MUCH lower.

Talk to the nurses who manned the emergency wards in hospitals all across the US, who seen many people die in hospital hallways because they could not get help to them in time.

If vaccines were not available things would be much worse.

It's easy to say the survival rate is excellent coming off the slope. Don't forget what it can be like if we had not acted on it fast.

Many countries are still struggling with high death rates.

Don't think that YOU couldn't get it and die from it.

1st  I believe the numbers are super inflated, that many deaths were ascribed to it that wasn't the cause and that many people who were sick were made worse by it

2nd I have no faith that the vaccines are safe or are the answer, they were rushed out by politicians and people who want to make a lot of money whose agendas are really not the common good.

3rd like all flu viruses it is mutating quickly (re India) and the existing vaccines will not help the new strains

4th "If vaccines were not available things would be much worse"  Do you have studies to verify it....oh no..thats right these things were whisked out and given to us with minimal testing and no due diligence

5th Because of the lack of insuring safety  the cure is often worse than the disease with many reports of clotting and disasterous side effects, and who knows what will pop up 10-20 years from now

6th The survival rate has ALWAYS been 99+%

7th (if you read this far thank you, this is more speculation) Plagues are nature's way of dealing with people when they don't manage things right. We have suffered from many and every few years these things happen

8th They have achieved their goal of changing society and have stated we will not be going back to normal

Conclusion  these vaccines are politically and economically driven agendas, and its propionates are removing freedom from people (travel, gathering etc) who choose not to take the vaccine. (Shades of Nazi Germany)  If the vaccines are working then only the people who don't take them are at risk.....why is that a problem. We are making a choice.

Finally.......you talk as if dying is a bad thing. It is something we all do and heaven awaits

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Riverwalker