GODS WARNING

[Heleadethme]

On 5/6/2021 at 12:59 PM, Justin Adams said:

The modern doctrine of premillennialism denies that Jesus has yet established His kingdom.

It claims that Christ must establish an earthly, literal, civil kingdom like David's. Since this does not now exist, they claim the kingdom was not established in the first century, but when Jesus returns He will establish such a kingdom and reign on earth 1000 years.

While there is much variety among those who hold such views, in some form this doctrine is taught by nearly every fundamentalist group including Baptists, Adventists, Pentecostals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God, and some "churches of Christ."

The importance some attach to this doctrine is shown by the following quote:

"It is not too much to say that millennialism is a determining factor in Biblical interpretation of comparable importance to the doctrines of verbal inspiration, the Deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement, and bodily resurrection" - Millennial Kingdom, p 16 

I believe He came to earth to establish His kingdom and has been reigning as king since the church began on Pentecost. To say that Jesus is not now reigning as King would be to deny or belittle many major Bible truths. In particular, it belittles Jesus' pre-eminence as King.

The contrast between this and premillennialism is made clear in these quotations:

"David's son, the Lord Jesus Christ, must return to the earth, bodily and literally, in order to reign over David's covenanted kingdom. The allegation that Christ is seated on the Father's throne reigning over a spiritual kingdom, the church, simply does not fulfill the promises of the covenant ... A literal earthly kingdom must be constituted over which the returned Messiah reigns" - Pentecost, Things to Come, pp. 114,115 

"Had the people received Him, He would have fulfilled the kingly prophecies in their day in addition to the ones regarding the suffering Messiah. But when the Jewish nation as a whole rejected Christ, the fulfillment of His kingship was postponed until the final culmination of world history" - Lindsey, There's a New World Coming, p. 30 

"...even though Christ has the right to rule the earth, He isn't exercising this authority over kings and kingdoms at this time" - Hal Lindsey, There's a New World Coming, p. 206 

 

 

I'm a slow percolator but things are starting to fall into place and making sense regarding this.  This passage below by itself tells us what to expect at the return of Christ...a new heavens and new earth:

2 Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

(And we might be able to glean the meaning of the thousand years as an analogy by the verses that mention a thousand generations, if we ponder them a bit....referring to an age, it seems.)

 

 

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, Mike Mclees said:

We need your definition of how the pie comes together

The papacy wants coming together as one pie is excepting papal authority.  Christianity is almost anything today. Every ideal and belief system. This amounts to total confusion. coming together again for truth is now not possible. The ax must be laid to the roots and will only take place when Christ returns.

Sadly you may be right.  Though maybe the Lord will do something with His remnant who have not bowed the knee to Baal.

[Riverwalker]

2 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

We need your definition of how the pie comes together

The papacy wants coming together as one pie is excepting papal authority.  Christianity is almost anything today. Every ideal and belief system. This amounts to total confusion. coming together again for truth is now not possible. The ax must be laid to the roots and will only take place when Christ returns.

That is why the recipe we follow is the bible.  The denominations of men have no say over Christianity.  That is God's Pie

 

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

 

I'm a slow percolator but things are starting to fall into place and making sense regarding this.  This passage below by itself tells us what to expect at the return of Christ...a new heavens and new earth:

2 Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

(And we might be able to glean the meaning of the thousand years as an analogy by the verses that mention a thousand generations, if we ponder them a bit....referring to an age, it seems.)

 

 

I'm slow to digest as well, coming to understand the Lord who first revealed Himself to me many years ago over the course of those years. The ministration of His Spirit delivered by His voice, through my brothers and sisters who hear Him, and the testimony of the scriptures is that way by which I've to come to understand in approximately 30 years of time on this earth. Those years began when the Lord called me from this world.    

Have I arrived? No! The revelation continues to unfold as it does for each of us. There was a time when I was very much afraid of God's warnings, believing them to be the judgment to come, never grasping the fruit of His rebuke because I was in the midst of being disciplined by God. We remember the apostle Paul's words concerning our treatment as sons and daughters. Never pleasant at first but that fruit which is pleasing to Christ will be yielded in due time. All things to His glory!

His glory and not our own. But isn't the truth excellent beyond understanding? Our Father gives all things to His Son and they are One, and the Son gives all things to us and we are one with Him... but the portion which boggles the mind is as follows.

We are one as the Father and Son are One, just as we are one with Jesus Christ who is the Lord God Almighty. I encourage the reader to visit John 17 in order to appreciate the truth of these words and how we reign with Him as kings and priests of God and Christ. 

The Son of God has given us the glory given to Him by the Ancient of days. Yes, too excellent for mere words. 

 

Edited May 8, 2021 by Marathoner

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

2 Peter 3:10

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

 

 

AMEN!

[Arrabon]

18 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Sadly you may be right.  Though maybe the Lord will do something with His REMNANT who have not bowed the knee to Baal.

@Heleadethme

I love that you used the word "REMNANT." It's hardly used in any conversation, and many don't believe in it at all !!

The idea of the "REMNANT" goes right along with Matthew 7:14, and Luke 13:23-24 where the the term "FEW" is used, and has the same contextual truth.

It has amazing meaning and application to our lives, now and in the future.

Happy Mothers Day ladies.

My name is Arrabon

Edited May 9, 2021 by Arrabon

[Arrabon]

20 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

The church is in such a mess, it's very alarming...I have even heard of witchcraft, occultism and yoga being practices in churches.  That follows the same pattern of ancient Israel who resorted to the ways of the pagans in her apostasy.  I don't think there has been so much apostasy and mess in all of church history that I know of, except perhaps when the RCC was formed. 

"What can the righteous do" when the foundations are destroyed".  Not much I think, except to "COME OUT OF HER" because we just can't be party to it.  I don't know what the Lord will do about all this....I pray for revival but think it's more likely that there will have to be some kind of judgment first.  When you see "Jerusalem" surrounded by armies (ie, about to be judged), flee to the mountains.

@Heleadethme

Hi there. I highlighted 2 portions of your post because they form a thought and was for me the answer a little over a year ago after being "in the church", I thought, for over 40 years.

Over time, as I watched and listened to things that I shouldn't have had to see and hear, and it started to become clear that the church I was in, and churches all over the world were in trouble in their beliefs and actions the more I studied what was currently happening in the contemporary church culture.

The answer?? For me it was God through the Holy Spirit one morning in church, when I was so uncomfortable with what I was seeing and hearing that the Holy Spirit spoke to me and called me out during the service, and I never went back. I tried other churches and men's groups, but ran into the same problems.

Now I am content to live out my faith studying God's truth and coming to a few forums to find people like me who have grown discontent with church and all the heresy many are absorbing as the truth.

I am so thankful to my God that He knew my stress, and desire for the truth, and need to fellowship with a "FEW"  who were seeking the same.

God bless you all.

My name is Arrabon

[steve morrow]

THE  WARNING -- PLUS  SOME  DEFINITION

 

EZEKIEL 33:13  when I shall say to the righteous that he shall surely live --if he-- trust to his --own righteousness-- and commit iniquity   all  his righteousnesses shall --not-- be remembered but for his iniquity that he hath committed he shall die for it

 

ROMANS 10:3  for they being ignorant of  GODS  righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of  GOD 

PSALM 119:172  my tongue shall speak of  ---thy word---  for all thy commandments are righteousness 

PSALM 119:144  the righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting give me understanding and I shall live 

PROVERBS 8:8  --all the words-- of  MY  mouth are in righteousness there is nothing froward or perverse in them 

 

1 CORINTHIANS 14:37  --if-- any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are ---the commandments of--  THE  LORD  

PROVERBS 12:17  he that speaketh truth showeth forth righteousness ---but a false witness deceit 

MARK 7:7  howbeit in vain do they worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men 

COLOSSIANS 2:22  ---which all are to perish--- with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men of men 

 

EPHESIANS 5:9  for the fruit of the spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth 

JOHN 14:6  JESUS  saith unto him --I am the way-----the  truth-----and the life--no man cometh unto  THE  FATHER ---  but by  ME  --- 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth nothing the words that I speak unto you they are ---spirit---and they are life---

ROMANS 8:10  and if  CHRIST  be in you the body is dead because of sin  ---but the spirit is life --- because of righteousness

PROVERBS 8:20  I lead in  --the way-- of righteousness in the midst of the paths of judgement 

 

ROMANS 5:21  that as sin hath reigned unto death even so might grace ---reign through righteousness--- unto eternal life by    JESUS  CHRIST  OUR  LORD

TITUS 2:11  for the grace of  GOD  that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men 

--1:12-- teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live --soberly---righteously---and godly--  in this present world 

PSALM 119:123  mine eyes fail for thy salvation and --- for the word of thy righteousness

 

ROMANS 6:16  know you not that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey his servants you are to whom you obey whether of sin unto death -----or of obedience unto righteousness 

PSALM 106:3  blessed are they that keep judgement and he that doeth righteousness at all times 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

 

[Arrabon]

18 hours ago, steve morrow said:

THE  WARNING -- PLUS  SOME  DEFINITION

 

EZEKIEL 33:13  when I shall say to the righteous that he shall surely live --if he-- trust to his --own righteousness-- and commit iniquity   all  his righteousnesses shall --not-- be remembered but for his iniquity that he hath committed he shall die for it

 

ROMANS 10:3  for they being ignorant of  GODS  righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of  GOD 

PSALM 119:172  my tongue shall speak of  ---thy word---  for all thy commandments are righteousness 

PSALM 119:144  the righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting give me understanding and I shall live 

PROVERBS 8:8  --all the words-- of  MY  mouth are in righteousness there is nothing froward or perverse in them 

 

1 CORINTHIANS 14:37  --if-- any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are ---the commandments of--  THE  LORD  

PROVERBS 12:17  he that speaketh truth showeth forth righteousness ---but a false witness deceit 

MARK 7:7  howbeit in vain do they worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men 

COLOSSIANS 2:22  ---which all are to perish--- with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men of men 

 

EPHESIANS 5:9  for the fruit of the spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth 

JOHN 14:6  JESUS  saith unto him --I am the way-----the  truth-----and the life--no man cometh unto  THE  FATHER ---  but by  ME  --- 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth nothing the words that I speak unto you they are ---spirit---and they are life---

ROMANS 8:10  and if  CHRIST  be in you the body is dead because of sin  ---but the spirit is life --- because of righteousness

PROVERBS 8:20  I lead in  --the way-- of righteousness in the midst of the paths of judgement 

 

ROMANS 5:21  that as sin hath reigned unto death even so might grace ---reign through righteousness--- unto eternal life by    JESUS  CHRIST  OUR  LORD

TITUS 2:11  for the grace of  GOD  that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men 

--1:12-- teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live --soberly---righteously---and godly--  in this present world 

PSALM 119:123  mine eyes fail for thy salvation and --- for the word of thy righteousness

 

ROMANS 6:16  know you not that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey his servants you are to whom you obey whether of sin unto death -----or of obedience unto righteousness 

PSALM 106:3  blessed are they that keep judgement and he that doeth righteousness at all times 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

 

 

@steve morrow

I liked the verses you posted, but it would also be nice if you summarized what you thinking, and how it applied here in a commentary, so we could reply.

God bless

My name is Arrabon

[steve morrow]

COMMENTARY ???

 

LUKE 6:46  and why call you   ME  LORD  LORD  and do not the things which I say

 

ROMANS 12:1  I beseech you therefore brethren by the mercies of  GOD  that you present your bodies a living sacrifice holy acceptable unto  GOD  which is your reasonable service

--12:2-- and be --not--conformed--- to this world --- but be you transformed by the renewing of your mind that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of  GOD 

 

ISAIAH 28:8  for all the tables are full of vomit and filthiness so that there is no place clean 

--28:9--  whom shall  --HE--  teach knowledge  and whom shall  --HE-- make to understand doctrine them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breasts 

--28:10-- for precept must be upon precept precept upon precept line upon line line upon line here a little and there a little 

 

2 CORINTHIANS