abcdef Posted May 9, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Revelation 12, all history now. Rev 12:1-6, 63 BC, The Roman dragon nation invades Israel. 1 AD, The Roman dragon nation, Caesar and Herod, try to kill Jesus as a child. 33 AD, Jesus is caught up to heaven. 70 AD, The faithful woman Israel flees into the gentile nations until her time there is completed and she returns home to restore Jerusalem in 1967. Rev 12:7-12 After Jesus ascends from the tomb to the Father, there is war in heaven. The war in heaven ends when Satan is pushed out and falls from heaven on the day of Pentecost. V 10, shows that at the same time that Satan was cast/pushed out of heaven, the new covenant kingdom began, " ...., Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: ....", the kingdom began on the day of Pentecost. Rev 12:13-17 The faithful woman Israel is persecuted by Caesar and the Roman nation and must flee into the wilderness of the gentile nations in 70 AD. The power of Rome to kill Israel was limited by the vastness of the planet earth and other empires. --- When the time of Israel among the gentile nations ends, the woman returns to her home Jerusalem, that happened in 1967. -- The time that the woman spends in the wilderness, 1,260 days (v. 6) and 3 1/2 times (v. 14), are now revealed as being symbolic and not literal. The 7 times are the same time period as the statue of Dan. 2. The statue of Dan. 2, is showing how long it will be until Israel is restored to Jerusalem, 7 times. The angel in Dan. 12:7, says that the first 3 1/2 times is from the captivity in Babylon until the great scattering of 70 AD. The second 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967, when the people of Israel took control over the city of Jerusalem again, the faithful woman returns. ---- There is no gap in the timeline of Rev 12 (or Dan. 2). It continues unbroken as the dragon nation, Caesar and Rome, persecute Israel continually after Jerusalem falls in 70 AD. ---- Rev 12, All history now, 63 BC through 1967. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Nope. Revelation is prophesy and is still to come. After the Rapture! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted May 9, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said: Nope. Revelation is prophesy and is still to come. After the Rapture! So.... Jesus being born and Herod trying to kill Jesus as a child is future? The Jesus being caught up to heaven is future? The Roman dragon beast chases Israel into the wilderness of the gentile nations, future? No, History. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdombrat Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) Why would Jesus be foretelling of His own birth, to John, as the risen Lamb of God? You don't think the Apostle John was already familiar with the birth of Christ, that Christ had to remind him? Edited May 9, 2021 by kingdombrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted May 9, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,640 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,372 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2021 2 hours ago, abcdef said: Revelation 12, all history now. No. 2 hours ago, abcdef said: Rev 12:1-6, 63 BC, The Roman dragon nation invades Israel. 1 AD, The Roman dragon nation, Caesar and Herod, try to kill Jesus as a child. (Jesus actually fled to Egypt with his parents and was not caught up specifically as in Rev 12.) 33 AD, Jesus is caught up to heaven. 70 AD, The faithful woman Israel flees into the gentile nations until her time there is completed and she returns home to restore Jerusalem in 1967. (The time does not equal 1260 days nor 1260 years. So probably not. 1948 and 1967 are not significant prophetically, only that Israel is brought back) 2 hours ago, abcdef said: Rev 12:7-12 After Jesus ascends from the tomb to the Father, there is war in heaven. The war in heaven ends when Satan is pushed out and falls from heaven on the day of Pentecost. V 10, shows that at the same time that Satan was cast/pushed out of heaven, the new covenant kingdom began, " ...., Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: ....", the kingdom began on the day of Pentecost. If that's true then when did Jesus reign for 1000 years? When did NJ come down from God, and when did Gog and Magog get consumed by fire? When was the rapture? Isn't the war in heaven only after the woman flees to the wilderness, per Rev 12:7-8? 2 hours ago, abcdef said: Rev 12:13-17 The faithful woman Israel is persecuted by Caesar and the Roman nation and must flee into the wilderness of the gentile nations in 70 AD. The power of Rome to kill Israel was limited by the vastness of the planet earth and other empires. Then explain Germany from 1939-45. Far worse than what happened in Jerusalem in 70 AD. In 70 AD Jews were killing Jews too, it wasn't just the Romans. And it was also many Arabs storming the city and ransacking and slaughtering, in fact X Frentensis really started the slaughter: all Syrian and Arab. 2 hours ago, abcdef said: The time that the woman spends in the wilderness, 1,260 days (v. 6) and 3 1/2 times (v. 14), are now revealed as being symbolic and not literal. Even though scripture says 1260 days? Hémera: day, a day, the period from sunrise to sunset. 2 hours ago, abcdef said: The 7 times are the same time period as the statue of Dan. 2. The statue of Dan. 2, is showing how long it will be until Israel is restored to Jerusalem, 7 times. The angel in Dan. 12:7, says that the first 3 1/2 times is from the captivity in Babylon until the great scattering of 70 AD. The second 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967, when the people of Israel took control over the city of Jerusalem again, the faithful woman returns. ---- There is no gap in the timeline of Rev 12 (or Dan. 2). So much has not come to pass as concerns the end of the age there must be a gap. No other explanation. 2 hours ago, abcdef said: It continues unbroken as the dragon nation, Caesar and Rome, persecute Israel continually after Jerusalem falls in 70 AD. How? Rome ended by 1000 AD. 2 hours ago, abcdef said: ---- Rev 12, All history now, 63 BC through 1967. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted May 9, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, kingdombrat said: Why would Jesus be foretelling of His own birth, to John, as the risen Lamb of God? Jesus is answering the big question of the post 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem which was, when will Israel be restored to Jerusalem? The birth of Jesus anchors the timeline to the 1st century. 7 minutes ago, kingdombrat said: You don't think the Apostle John was already familiar with the birth of Christ, that Christ had to remind him? Jesus was telling John what to communicate to the 7 congregations and to us. John needed no reminder, but future generations from 70 AD onward do need to know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted May 9, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.94 Reputation: 7,798 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, kingdombrat said: Why would Jesus be foretelling of His own birth, to John, as the risen Lamb of God? You don't think the Apostle John was already familiar with the birth of Christ, that Christ had to remind him? He is relating what he actually saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted May 9, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Diaste said: No. If that's true then when did Jesus reign for 1000 years? You are covering a lot of areas here. Jesus has reigned the kingdom on planet earth since the day of Pentecost when the kingdom of Israel came. You are at the end of the millennium which is the new covenant kingdom of Israel/church, just before the second resurrection. The 1000 years is not literal, but represents the time of the kingdom of Israel on planet earth. Quote When did NJ come down from God, The new Jerusalem comes down from God after death is destroyed, future. Quote and when did Gog and Magog get consumed by fire? Ezek chs. 38-39, history, they fight with swords and arrows, etc.. Rev 20, already beginning to happen, Jerusalem is surrounded now. Quote When was the rapture? The resur/rapt will happen days after this Jerusalem falls. Quote Isn't the war in heaven only after the woman flees to the wilderness, per Rev 12:7-8? No, the war in heaven takes place between the ascension of Jesus to the Father and the day of Pentecost, "salvation is come". Satan is thrown down on the day of Pentecost. Quote Then explain Germany from 1939-45. Far worse than what happened in Jerusalem in 70 AD. In 70 AD Jews were killing Jews too, it wasn't just the Romans. And it was also many Arabs storming the city and ransacking and slaughtering, in fact X Frentensis really started the slaughter: all Syrian and Arab. 1939-1945, was still in the tribulation period which was from 70 AD until 1967. ----- In 70 AD, Titus was in charge. Rome was the supreme power. Give credit where credit is due. Why try to make others responsible and claim Rome is innocent, of the prophetic fulfillment? Quote Even though scripture says 1260 days? Hémera: day, a day, the period from sunrise to sunset. But the "day of salvation" has lasted 1900 years. Quote So much has not come to pass as concerns the end of the age there must be a gap. No other explanation. There is another explanation, there is no gap. The time line of Rev 12 and Dan. 2 is continual, without gaps. You have just thought so long within those parameters that it is hard to receive a new concept. Quote How? Rome ended by 1000 AD. The Roman Empire ended, but not the power of Rome over the displaced people of Israel. The Empire changes form, from an established military power, into an image power, retaining the center of Caesar worship. Edited May 9, 2021 by abcdef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdombrat Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 The woman symbolizes Israel. Genesis 37 tells us Joseph, Jacob's favored son, had a dream in which Jacob's other sons and his parents bowed down to him. When he told his father Jacob about the dream, his father immediately applied the imagery. The sun and moon were Joseph's father and mother, Jacob—also named Israel—and Rachel. Joseph's brothers were the eleven stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 10, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 775 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,953 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,985 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, abcdef said: So.... Jesus being born and Herod trying to kill Jesus as a child is future? The Jesus being caught up to heaven is future? The Roman dragon beast chases Israel into the wilderness of the gentile nations, future? No, History. 6 hours ago, kingdombrat said: Why would Jesus be foretelling of His own birth, to John, as the risen Lamb of God? You don't think the Apostle John was already familiar with the birth of Christ, that Christ had to remind him? Because it has to do with the complete Revelation for future when the possibly Roman antichrist will try to kill the Jews at the 2nd half of great tribulation. Edited May 10, 2021 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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