David1701 Posted May 19, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.53 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, Alive said: Sure--not to belabor the point. I wasn't making any kind of a doctrinal point at all. Only that when folks attack us and especially those we care about or respect, we don't need to be affected or struck. If we aren't struck then we aren't hurt. The spear is just a handy analogy is all. When someone throws one at you, don't get hit. LOL It's okay, I know you weren't making a doctrinal point. It just suddenly occurred to me that Eph. 6 had some connection to the subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted May 19, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 195 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.50 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted May 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, David1701 said: It's okay, I know you weren't making a doctrinal point. It just suddenly occurred to me that Eph. 6 had some connection to the subject. I hear ya, David and appreciate it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted May 23, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted May 23, 2021 On 5/18/2021 at 3:48 PM, Josheb said: No it's not. Israel isn't mentioned once in Revelation 20. There are no Jews, no Judaism, no Israel mentioned anywhere in the only chapter in the Bible mentioning a thousand year reign. In fact, "Israel" is mentioned only three times in the book of Revelation and none of those mentions has anything to do with the millennium of chapter 20. You are right that the word "Israel" does not appear in Rev 20. Those who live and reign with Jesus are from the first resurrection when Jesus was resurrected in 33 AD, v 5-6. This would include both Israel and gentile souls. ---- Who do you think that those who live and reign with Jesus for the 1000 years are? if not Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 23, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,311 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,519 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 23, 2021 On 5/17/2021 at 2:39 PM, Justin Adams said: Not at all. His Kingdom is NOW and we are Priest and Kings in His Kingdom. He is seated at the right hand of Glory (the Father) who has put ALL THINGS under His feet. No conditions. He is King Now. We are in His Kingdom Reign right NOW. So you don't believe in a literal tribulation either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted May 23, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.95 Reputation: 7,797 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 58 minutes ago, enoob57 said: So you don't believe in a literal tribulation either? Not your pre-mil one. That happened around 70AD. However, according to other prophesies, it is going to get worse before the end. No MOB, no rapture to get all the good guys off planet whilst their fellows suffer. Nothing like that. But it will be bad. Nobody will be able to talk about it either. Blackout. Think of China right now or Nth Korea TIMES 1000. Think of the dems as kiddies in the park. We ain't seen nothing yet. We are way too soft and comfortable right now and POWERLESS. Why? Because we believe in the wrong prophesies and we think that the devil is in charge. Big mistake(s). I got news! GOD is SOVEREIGN and always has been and always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted May 23, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,311 Content Per Day: 7.99 Reputation: 21,519 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Justin Adams said: Not your pre-mil one. That happened around 70AD. However, according to other prophesies, it is going to get worse before the end. No MOB, no rapture to get all the good guys off planet whilst their fellows suffer. Nothing like that. But it will be bad. Nobody will be able to talk about it either. Blackout. Think of China right now or Nth Korea TIMES 1000. Think of the dems as kiddies in the park. We ain't seen nothing yet. We are way too soft and comfortable right now and POWERLESS. Why? Because we believe in the wrong prophesies and we think that the devil is in charge. Big mistake(s). I got news! GOD is SOVEREIGN and always has been and always will be. we differ a great amount on Biblical things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted May 23, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted May 23, 2021 The first resurrection is Jesus and the OT saints, 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24, John 5:25-29. The first resurrection is past and not future. The second resurrection is future. We are in the time between the two resurrections. After the second resurrection it is the end where death is destroyed. ---- The pre-trib and pre-mill theory must rely on the idea that there are more than 2 resurrections. This is in direct opposition to 1 Cor 15: 23-24, where there are only 2 shown. ---- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydub Posted May 23, 2021 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 184 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 133 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted May 23, 2021 When you believe in a literal millennium, what do you do with verses like 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up Here we see the day of the Lord and on that day the physical is destroyed, Here is when we are changed into our spiritual bodies. there is no physical earth. The new heaven and the new earth are now spiritual. with verses like 2 peter I cannot see a literal 1000 year period if there is not a physical earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kingdombrat Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, enoob57 said: we differ a great amount on Biblical things.... The difference being is the Holy Spirit + personal belief is leading your beliefs vs his seems to be built upon these recent so called [False] Scholars coming out with newer views to an old and dead subject matter. You keep adding Scripture references and he keeps posting People, under the guise of Scholar, Viewpoints. Now, saying that much, it doesn't mean I think you're always correct either. Edited May 23, 2021 by kingdombrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted May 23, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 195 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.50 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted May 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, kingdombrat said: The difference being is the Holy Spirit + personal belief is leading your beliefs vs his seems to be built upon these recent so called [False] Scholars coming out with newer views to an old and dead subject matter. You keep adding Scripture references and he keeps posting People, under the guise of Scholar, Viewpoints. Now, saying that much, it doesn't mean I think you're always correct either. Careful now. Stick to the content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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