JAG** Posted June 1, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 1, 2021 An Unloving Unnecessary Monstrous Interpretation Of Matthew 7:13-14 By JAG May 30, 2021 Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Humans put forth their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 and their own interpretation has consequences. Their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 also tells us what they think God is like in His nature. The interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 presented by the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology. which are {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism (3) Dispensationalism present God as deliberately choosing to create a race of untold billions of His human creatures knowing BEFORE He chose to create them that the majority of them would spend an eternity screaming in agony in the pits of eternal Hell. And many of these folks tell us not only will the majority of God's human creatures scream in Hell for all eternity, but it will be the overwhelming vast majority that scream in agony in Hell for all eternity. Then in the next breath they tell us that God is LOVE and full of kindness and compassion. My view is that their free-will-chosen interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 is wrong. It's not right to do that. It's not a good thing to do that. It's a bad thing to interpret Matthew 7:13-14 in such a way that portrays God as the kind of Being that would create untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He created them that the majority would end up screaming in agony in Hell for all eternity, but then knowing that, went ahead and created them anyway, but this is exactly and precisely what their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 means and they cannot escape from this their portrayal of the nature of God. Their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 tells you, that on their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14, God has done exactly that and that God is the kind of Being who would do that and that He actually has done that. What is the solution to this? There is an alternative interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 that is reasonable and it says Matthew 7:13-14 describes ONLY the very bad spiritual conditions of the 1st century when Jesus spoke the words of Matthew 7:13-14 in that 1st century generation of Jews who ended up rejecting Him as their Savior and ultimately murdered the innocent Lord Jesus. Indeed only a relatively few in that 1st century generation, did find the Lord Jesus as their Savior. But that 1st century generation is NOT representative of the entire human race and all future human generations, and there is NOT a single Bible verse that says it is. So? So you don't have to believe that it is representative. You can use your free will to choose NOT to believe that it is representative of the entire human race. And in fact it is NOT representative of the entire human race and all future generations. So? So the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism (3) Dispensationalism do NOT have to interpret Matthew7:13-14 as being historically predictive of the future of the human race. They use their free will to choose to interpret Matthew 7:13-14 that way ~~ and it's wrong to do that. It's not right. It's not a good thing to do, to interpret Matthew 7:13-14 in such as way that presents God as being the kind of Being that creates untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He created them, that the majority of them would end up screaming in agony in Hell for all eternity. In this connection see the OP in this thread. Will Only A Few People Be Saved? No. A Great Multitude Will Be Saved. - General Discussion - Worthy Christian Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted June 1, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,205 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Hi Jag, I agree that Matt. 7: 13 & 14 is for the Jews of that time. Jesus came to His own but they rejected Him. Too many people read God`s word as all about us, when it is all about the Lord, His character and His purposes for - the Body of Christ, for Israel and the nations. Get that right and eschatology especially becomes understandable. God`s word is for us to read and learn from but it is not all about us. Good word there Jag. Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 3,182 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2021 Christ is speaking to His disciples. Matthew 7:13-14 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Jesus is teaching His disciples (and us today) that there are two gates and two paths to follow. People may choose the broad way of the world with its traditions of men and false doctrine or they can choose the narrow way, which is God’s way that leads to everlasting life. The reason Jesus said “there are few who find it” is revealed in the very next verse—verse 15: Matthew 7:15 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. There were many false prophets in Jesus’ day and there are many false prophets today in this generation. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Jag, I agree that Matt. 7: 13 & 14 is for the Jews of that time. Jesus came to His own but they rejected Him. Too many people read God`s word as all about us, when it is all about the Lord, His character and His purposes for - the Body of Christ, for Israel and the nations. Get that right and eschatology especially becomes understandable. God`s word is for us to read and learn from but it is not all about us. Good word there Jag. Marilyn. Hi Marilyn, Thank you and thanks for reading my OP. God bless. JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,191 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 2, 2021 It is reflective of the reality we are born in: John 3:19-21 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. KJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2021 On 6/1/2021 at 7:49 AM, JAG** said: An Unloving Unnecessary Monstrous Interpretation Of Matthew 7:13-14 By JAG May 30, 2021 Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Humans put forth their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 and their own interpretation has consequences. Their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 also tells us what they think God is like in His nature. The interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 presented by the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology. which are {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism (3) Dispensationalism present God as deliberately choosing to create a race of untold billions of His human creatures knowing BEFORE He chose to create them that the majority of them would spend an eternity screaming in agony in the pits of eternal Hell. And many of these folks tell us not only will the majority of God's human creatures scream in Hell for all eternity, but it will be the overwhelming vast majority that scream in agony in Hell for all eternity. Then in the next breath they tell us that God is LOVE and full of kindness and compassion. My view is that their free-will-chosen interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 is wrong. It's not right to do that. It's not a good thing to do that. It's a bad thing to interpret Matthew 7:13-14 in such a way that portrays God as the kind of Being that would create untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He created them that the majority would end up screaming in agony in Hell for all eternity, but then knowing that, went ahead and created them anyway, but this is exactly and precisely what their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 means and they cannot escape from this their portrayal of the nature of God. Their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 tells you, that on their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14, God has done exactly that and that God is the kind of Being who would do that and that He actually has done that. What is the solution to this? There is an alternative interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 that is reasonable and it says Matthew 7:13-14 describes ONLY the very bad spiritual conditions of the 1st century when Jesus spoke the words of Matthew 7:13-14 in that 1st century generation of Jews who ended up rejecting Him as their Savior and ultimately murdered the innocent Lord Jesus. Indeed only a relatively few in that 1st century generation, did find the Lord Jesus as their Savior. But that 1st century generation is NOT representative of the entire human race and all future human generations, and there is NOT a single Bible verse that says it is. So? So you don't have to believe that it is representative. You can use your free will to choose NOT to believe that it is representative of the entire human race. And in fact it is NOT representative of the entire human race and all future generations. So? So the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism (3) Dispensationalism do NOT have to interpret Matthew7:13-14 as being historically predictive of the future of the human race. They use their free will to choose to interpret Matthew 7:13-14 that way ~~ and it's wrong to do that. It's not right. It's not a good thing to do, to interpret Matthew 7:13-14 in such as way that presents God as being the kind of Being that creates untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He created them, that the majority of them would end up screaming in agony in Hell for all eternity. In this connection see the OP in this thread. Will Only A Few People Be Saved? No. A Great Multitude Will Be Saved. - General Discussion - Worthy Christian Forums A literal interpretation is always correct. Don't give Scripture your own words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlade Posted June 2, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,217 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 1,120 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1961 Share Posted June 2, 2021 " portrays God as the kind of Being that would create untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He created them that the majority would end up screaming in agony in Hell for all eternity," Ok what about the angels that fell? IF God knew 1/3 of all those angels He created would fall be lost forever "screaming in agony in Hell for all eternity" what about that? WOW no salvation for them at all and we are what better then them? There is a road and we can see it in the world its wide and leads to destruction. Yet the narrow road.. got a free choice which do you want to take? God didn't do this we did. I guess we can cry and try to just blame Adan and Eve. David had to make a choice and 70000 died. Christ made the way out.. God did foresee all this and HELLO CHRIST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted June 3, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,205 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted June 3, 2021 13 hours ago, JAG** said: Hi Marilyn, Thank you and thanks for reading my OP. God bless. JAG Hi JAG, It is interesting to see that those who think God will only save a `few,` conveniently forget Rev. 7: 9 - 17. These are the GREAT MULTITUDE that no one can count, (billions?) who come out of the Great trib, and turn to God. Not a `few` there! Marilyn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted June 3, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, missmuffet said: A literal interpretation is always correct. Don't give Scripture your own words. "A literal interpretation is always correct"__Missmuffet Incorrect. The Holy Bible is saturated with figurative language that can NOT be interpreted literally. Luke 13:32 The Lord Jesus said about King Herod, "Go tell that fox" so and so. On your lights King Herod had 4 legs and a bushy tail. How so? Because "a literal interpretation is always correct" and the Lord Jesus said clear and bold that King Herod WAS A FOX. Best. JAG ` Edited June 3, 2021 by JAG** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG** Posted June 3, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 541 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 207 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/06/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Marilyn C said: Hi JAG, It is interesting to see that those who think God will only save a `few,` conveniently forget Rev. 7: 9 - 17. These are the GREAT MULTITUDE that no one can count, (billions?) who come out of the Great trib, and turn to God. Not a `few` there! Marilyn. That's a very good point Marilyn and thanks for making it. Best. JAG `` Edited June 3, 2021 by JAG** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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