Trying to parse the scriptures about the End

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

 

Rev 12:3-4, Identifies the dragon positively as the Roman Empire and King Herod.

The beasts are nations. The dragon is identified as having 7 heads and 10-11 horns.

John says in Rev 17:10, That five heads have fallen and "one is". The one that "is" at John's time is Caesar and Rome.

So Rev 20 shows the beast dragon Roman Empire iron nation (RCC), being limited in it's power over the people of Israel for the time of the chain and the abyss.

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But at the end of the mill period, the ROMAN dragon beast nation is released to attack the people of Israel (with Hitler deceived), and drive them out of the gentile nations wilderness nations back to restore Jerusalem, 1929-1967.

The dragon beast nation at the end mill is the image beast RCC/Vatican, that must deceive the kings of the east, because he is only an image, and does not have the power to destroy Israel, by his own military power.

The ancient enemy nation that "was", and "is" in the time of John, "was not" for a time, and yet "is" has returned to deceive the kings of the east and the Gog/Magog nations into destroying the people of Israel.  

Rome has deceived many into losing salvation.

 

The Devil Satan is spirit. What is the spirit of Satan?

The spirit of Satan is the opposite of God's Spirit.

God is love, Satan is no love. Satan is completely "void" of love, empty, heartless.

In the Bible this spirit of no love is primarily directed at the people of Israel, to eliminate then from this planet. Since the people of Israel carry the scriptures, they are the channel of salvation for souls. If this channel is ended, then the blessings of eternal life will cease to flow to souls.  

 

Again, the 1000 years are not literal. They symbolize a complete time, a perfect time. 

 

Some think that there will be no sin during the mill because of this statement in v 3. But the meaning of the statement is shown in v 8. He is not able to deceive the gentile nations into destroying Jerusalem and Israel. 

Why? because Israel was scattered in the gentile nations. 

But once the people of Israel are reunited in Jerusalem (1967), then the Roman dragon Satan can deceive the nations Magog into destroying them. (happening now)

 

Rev 9, The 5th trumpet shows the false prophets (scorpions, Isa 9:15), associated with Rome and Satan spreading their lies and hate against Israel. 

Rome, Caesar, the Bishop of Rome (the holy father) comes back to sit on the seat of the beast, then the darkness is poured out, Rev 16:10.

 

Understand that the Rev has parallel timelines. So the answer to a question might be found in the parallel timeline.

One general problem is setting the beginning of the timelines.

Popular theories have the timelines beginning in our future. But the timelines begin about the time of Jesus and are continual to our time.

There are many defects with the above senario, one being that in the metaphorical representation of Satan, the dragon has 7 heads and 10 horns exactly like the 1st beast from the sea, but only has 7 crowns to the 1st beast's 10, the dragon's 7 crowns being on its heads whereas the 1st beast's crowns are on its horns.

It is further obvious that the metaphorical dragon and the metaphorical 1st beast are separate entities, albeit in cahoots.

After the 1st beast and false prophet are in the Lake of Fire, Satan aka the dragon is chained and bound in the abyss.

Those who believe everything prophesied in Revelation prior to chapter 20 has been fulfilled including the fall and destruction of the metaphorical whore of Babylon, must blind themselves to her continued harlotry and abominations that persist and are currently holding much of the world in their sway.

 

 

 

[abcdef]

On 7/28/2021 at 11:19 PM, Michael37 said:

There are many defects with the above senario, one being that in the metaphorical representation of Satan, the dragon has 7 heads and 10 horns exactly like the 1st beast from the sea, but only has 7 crowns to the 1st beast's 10, the dragon's 7 crowns being on its heads whereas the 1st beast's crowns are on its horns.

The iron legs and toes in the statue of Dan. 2 is the same as the 4th beast in Dan. 7, Rome. There are no other beasts or nations shown after them. So the beast of the Revelation must conform into the iron nation.

The iron also represents the beast nations of the Revelation which must conform to the statue's timeline.

The dragon is the Satanic spirit the dominates the nations that rule over the people of Israel until they are restored to control of Jerusalem.

The iron beast nation is the same entity as the iron legs and toes, but is showing different forms of the same nation, Rome.

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The dragon with 7-8 heads and 10 horns is the same  as the iron,

is the same as the sea beast,

is the same as the earth beast,

is the same as the scarlet beast,

is the same as the dragon in Rev 20.

They are all Rome in one form or another. The iron Roman nation that dominates the people of Israel from 63 BC onward is the same entity, but changes form over time.

The descriptions that are given in different passages reveal different details about the beast nation, in different forms, but they are all describing the same nation, iron Rome.

 

On 7/28/2021 at 11:19 PM, Michael37 said:

It is further obvious that the metaphorical dragon and the metaphorical 1st beast are separate entities, albeit in cahoots.

Yes, that is, the dragon shows the Satanic spirit that dominates the iron beast nation over time. The iron beast nation Rome changes form over time, from the time of the 7 heads into the time of the horns, but the Satanic spirit that tries to destroy the people of Israel is the same.

 

On 7/28/2021 at 11:19 PM, Michael37 said:

After the 1st beast and false prophet are in the Lake of Fire,

Rev 19 is showing the time when the gospel sword conquers the Roman Empire. 

In the statue of Dan. 2 we are told that the kingdom, established on the day of Pentecost, causes the statue to be divided and devoured. The division is seen in the legs and toes. The devouring is the gospel translating souls into the kingdom while the statue is still standing, before the harvest when the stone strikes.

The false prophet Caesar and his followers are cast into the flames when they die. They are already judged, having rejected Jesus.

 

On 7/28/2021 at 11:19 PM, Michael37 said:

Satan aka the dragon is chained and bound in the abyss.

Chapters 19 and 20 are not consecutive, but are divided by the angel that comes down from heaven. Chapter 20 begins a new timeline that starts at the first resurrection and the day of Pentecost.

Satan is shown being cast down from heaven in Rev 12:7-10. The passage in Rev 20:1-3 is a parallel time line showing the day of Pentecost, after the first resurrection of Jesus.

 

On 7/28/2021 at 11:19 PM, Michael37 said:

Those who believe everything prophesied in Revelation prior to chapter 20

Not everything has been fulfilled, but most things have been fulfilled.

The 7th trumpet, the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven (the stone striking the statue in Dan. 2), have not been fulfilled.

 

On 7/28/2021 at 11:19 PM, Michael37 said:

has been fulfilled including the fall and destruction of the metaphorical whore of Babylon,

The whore of Babylon is unfaithful Israel/Jerusalem under the power of the Roman beast nation.

 

On 7/28/2021 at 11:19 PM, Michael37 said:

must blind themselves to her continued harlotry and abominations that persist and are currently holding much of the world in their sway.

The time of the harlot is limited to the time that the people of Israel are under the domination of Rome. That time ended in 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to the control of the people of Israel.

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