The Intellect Verses The Heart

[Guest clancy]

9 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Not one of those passages says that Scripture, on its own, can save anyone.  Two of them say clearly that faith is required; and, we know from other passages that faith is a gift from God that not everyone has.  We also know, from other passages, that a mark that someone is elect, is that the gospel does not come to him in word only, but in the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

 

AMEN!!!!.....spot on Brother, my heart is rejoicing in the Lord!!!...

[Guest clancy]

2 minutes ago, David1701 said:

You keep omitting the necessity of faith and the power of the Holy Spirit operating in a person's life.  The written word, on its own, accomplishes NOTHING, except to increase the knowledge and responsibility of the reader.

Do not just look at what the Bible says, look at what it also says.

Heb. 11:6 (EMTV) And without faith it is impossible to please God, for it is necessary for the one approaching God to believe that He is, and that He becomes a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

2 Pet. 1:1 (WEB) Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and Saviour, Jesus Christ:

Phil. 1:29 (KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

2 Thess. 3:2 (WEB) and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and evil men; for not all have faith.

1 Thess. 1:4,5 (EMTV)

4 knowing, beloved brothers, your election by God.
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, just as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.

Praise God...for His Truth!!!.....

[enoob57]

3 hours ago, David1701 said:

we know from other passages that faith is a gift from God that not everyone has.

All Scripture must be brought to consideration ... especially when it is so directed pointedly to this topic
Rom 10:13-17

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
KJV

The Word is the necessary element and taking it in brings faith... therefore the gift is God's Word which brings faith...

[enoob57]

3 hours ago, David1701 said:

Not one of those passages says that Scripture, on its own, can save anyone.

2 Tim 3:15

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
KJV
It seem Scripture does say so...

[Guest clancy]

21 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

All Scripture must be brought to consideration ... especially when it is so directed pointedly to this topic
Rom 10:13-17

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
KJV

The Word is the necessary element and taking it in brings faith... therefore the gift is God's Word which brings faith...

No!!......I took no scripture in before I was born again, after,I went out and bought a bible.

That is “ your” word....that is not God’s word....he can save how ever he chooses...

If we all had to read scripture before becoming born again, would be unfair, thousands can’t read or write,...God is not an unfair God..

He knows exactly how to draw his children to Jesus.....you do not.

 

Show me where God says, you must read scripture before I can save you?

it doesn’t, because it’s false!

 

you are accusing the brethren of not being born again, because we had read no bible before we were saved.

that is against the TOS.

Edited June 17, 2021 by clancy

[enoob57]

10 minutes ago, clancy said:

No!!......I took no scripture in before I was born again, after,I went out and bought a bible.

That is “ your” word....that is not God’s word....he can save how ever he chooses...

If we all had to read scripture before becoming born again, would be unfair, thousands can’t read or write,...God is not an unfair God..

He knows exactly how to draw his children to Jesus.....you do not.

 

Show me where God says, you must read scripture before I can save you?

it doesn’t, because it’s false!

I have so many times already... but maybe this once more you'll read it  
2 Tim 3:15

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
KJV
 

[Guest clancy]

4 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

I have so many times already... but maybe this once more you'll read it  
2 Tim 3:15

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
KJV
 

You have also ignored scripture that I have posted.

The wind blows where ever it pleases, but you don’t know where it comes from,..read all of that scripture?

The Holy Spirit saves his way....not “ your” way!

without a Bible Reading.

Edited June 17, 2021 by clancy

[Heleadethme]

4 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

I have so many times already... but maybe this once more you'll read it  
2 Tim 3:15

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
KJV
 

The holy scriptures...consist of more than one verse brother.  We need to read more than one little verse on a matter if we want to be wise.   Sure they are able to make one wise unto salvation but that isn't the only means that God can use.  Jesus is the Word made flesh...if He comes and writes Himself on the table of someone's heart who are we to argue....HE HIMSELF is the WAY, and the TRUTH, and the LIFE.

[enoob57]

3 hours ago, David1701 said:

Not one of those passages says that Scripture, on its own, can save anyone.  Two of them say clearly that faith is required; and, we know from other passages that faith is a gift from God that not everyone has.  We also know, from other passages, that a mark that someone is elect, is that the gospel does not come to him in word only, but in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Do not just look at what the Bible says, look at what it also says.

2 Pet. 1:1 (WEB) Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a like precious faith with us in the righteousness of our God and Saviour, Jesus Christ:

Phil. 1:29 (KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

2 Thess. 3:2 (WEB) and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and evil men; for not all have faith.

1 Thess. 1:4,5 (EMTV)

4 knowing, beloved brothers, your election by God.
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, just as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.

The Scripture "IS" a work of The Holy Spirit 

John 14:26

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
KJV
and walla we have The New Testament of Jesus' Life, death and resurrection... the Gospel!

[Heleadethme]

35 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

The Word is the necessary element and taking it in brings faith... therefore the gift is God's Word which brings faith...

Um, and WHO again is the WORD made flesh?  Sometimes He does the preaching directly to a person's heart without the means of a human vessel, and His sheep know His voice.