Blasphemy against Holy Spirit ??

[CWJ]

This is a very interesting subject. Dad Ernie you have some very good points.

But....is the sin unto death one that results in the second death, and not just a physical death?

How do we know for sure that Annanias and Sapphira suffered eternal damnation?

Well....personally I think scripture may show us more than one blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Although I say I agree with most of the previous post in this direction.

Blessings, Carl

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings CWJ,

But....is the sin unto death one that results in the second death, and not just a physical death?

You might want to look at Korah's rebellion in Numbers 16. I see a similarity in the events.

How do we know for sure that Annanias and Sapphira suffered eternal damnation?

The text gives no absolute proof of their ultimate destination, but IF indeed they committed the UNPARDONABLE SIN, then there IS NO forgiveness. I believe the story DOES indicate that.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest suzie]

I dont quite agree with you Dad Ernie in regard to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as what Ananias and Sapphira's actions were such. They lied to God and attempted to decieve him.  They suffered a physical death, as did those who took communion in an unworthy manner as seen in 1 Cor 11:30.  You are confusing this with the unpardonable sin and that is not one and the same.

[tvill man]

Let`s go to the Word of God for the answer!

Matthew 12:22--12:32

Read it for yourself.

[boblandis]

Ephriam is right on this one.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Suzie,

Sorry you disagree, but let me quote myself:

So let me suggest that the MoB and Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit are one and the same. In contrast to this for the true Christians we see:

Jesus said that ALL MANNER of sin is forgiven, BUT there is ONE sin that is NEVER forgiven and that is "Blaspheme of the Holy spirit". Well neither is taking the MoB, and since there is ONLY "ONE sin unto death" (blaspheme), then please correlate these two sins as to make some sense to them.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest suzie]

I do not know how to explain it any more fully than I have Ernie.  To lie to God is not the same as turning your back on God and the prompting of the Holy Spirit.  The sin of Ananias and Sapphira wasnt that they denied that the Holy Spirit was at work as much as they lied to God. This was destructive to the church and God judged it harshly.  This is not the same as the Pharisees who could not believe that Jesus was God --but saw his work as from satan.

[CWJ]

suzie I have to agree with you on Annanias and Sapphira.

I agree with the view that rejecting the Holy Spirit's call is blasphemy.

I agree with attributing the work of Jesus to be from satan is blasphemy.

I think the above two could possibly be the same thing.

Also we must look at Rev22:19.."And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Looks like there is another "unforgiven" act to qualify in this balsphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Not to start a big drift here, but I believe all names are entered in the book of lifefrom the foundation of the world. And not getting savedgets you blotted out.

Definitely some discussion ammo here!

[Guest suzie]

cwj-

The reason blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin is not that it is "worse" than any other sin, but that the person who does so removes themselves from the only force that can restore them to God. It would be those who have rejected God and all faith which would be a permanent hardness of heart.

[Work in Progress]

The reason blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin is not that it is "worse" than any other sin, but that the person who does so removes themselves from the only force that can restore them to God.

Hmmm. I've never heard that before and find it interesting, especially in light of the fact that I always did think that it was because it was "worse" than all other sins. Double 'hmmm', since I would be the first to say that there are no degrees of sin. I just thought this one was the exception.

Anyway, as I am pondering that, would you reconcile what you said about removing themselves from God with the Scripture that says that nothing can separate us from the love of God? Because 'nothing' also includes ourselves, does it not?