Defense of the Post Trib Rapture

[ServingHim]

SH... Christ rules the millenium with an iron-fist. He will be very present. And the Church will reign with him!

ok...but it still seems strange to me...will people HAVE the Holy Spirit as well, and will people 'become saved' as they do now a days...or will it be different? I don't mean to be stupid, but none of this really makes sense to me...there seem to be loopholes IMHO that can't seem to find answers?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Serving Him,

HOW do those living on earth, procreated new people come to know Christ and accept Him as their savior? Do they follow the Bible as well? At will "Christ Come Again" for them, as the bible says, or will there be a new bible? Do they also get baptized, and does the Holy Spirit live in them AS WELL AS CHRIST living on earth in whatever state He will come again in?

You are right in asking this question, because it is not an easy one for pre-tribbers to answer. According to THEIR interpretation, much of the Bible does not apply to the GREAT TRIBULATION SAINTS. They also promote a confusing idea that the Holy Spirit is taken up (out of the way - the RESTRAINER) when the RAPTURE occurs, and thus apparently all those GREAT TRIBULATION SAINTS have to figure out from their OWN CARNAL minds what the Bible is all about.

Since Romans 10 gives us a pattern of HOW salvation occurs - HOW CAN THEY HEAR UNLESS SOMEONE IS SENT - they attribute this to Angels announcing the Gospel over the entire earth, or perhaps finding a Bible hidden somewhere that they accidently run across, OR since all the REAL CHRISTIANS have gone up on the rapture and are no longer around, THEN the GREAT TRIBULATION SAINTS conclude that "Hey, they must have been right since they are not here anymore, so I guess I had better start believing." BUT OF COURSE, they do this without the Holy Spirit. Of course there are MULTITUDES BEYOND COUNT that accidently find those Bibles that are LEFT BEHIND.

Can I get any more cynical over that FALSE DOCTRINE?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[ServingHim]

thanks dad ernie...yes this is all very new to me...and it doesn't seem to me (perhaps I'm wrong) that it really matters which way it is. What is important is how you live your life and serve Christ by serving others.

One more question... does the thousand year time-period happen AFTER Christ's Second Coming and before the Final Judgment? I know that Christ says, "For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done" (Matt. 16:27), and "when the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. . . . And they [the goats] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:31

[ServingHim]

It seems to me that Christ's Second Coming is being split into different events according to what I'm reading on here with this 1000 year reign. But I think that scripture doesn't do this... For this pre-trib view, doesn't Christ seemingly have three DIFFERENT 'comings'

1) one when he was born in Bethlehem

2) one when he returns for the rapture at the tribulation

[Guest dustycanvas]

Servinghim,

I'm the one that orginated the topic on Christ's 1,000 year reign. I am a post Trib believer. No, I do not believe in 3 raptures. I believe as the scriptures say, there will be ONE. ANd that will be at the time of the battle of Armageddon. The 1,000 year reign of Christ isn't another rapture but, it is God taking back governmental control back on the Earth. God gave man the governmental reigns for these times we are living in. After we are raptured we will come back to Earth with Christ and first, rescue Israel. They will be losing the battle of Armageddon when God will win the battle for them.

These are not raptures, there just events that occur, according to the Bible after the rapture.

[ServingHim]

Servinghim,

I'm the one that orginated the topic on Christ's 1,000 year reign. I am a post Trib believer. No, I do not believe in 3 raptures. I believe as the scriptures say, there will be ONE. ANd that will be at the time of the battle of Armageddon. The 1,000 year reign of Christ isn't another rapture but, it is God taking back governmental control back on the Earth. God gave man the governmental reigns for these times we are living in. After we are raptured we will come back to Earth with Christ and first, rescue Israel. They will be losing the battle of Armageddon when God will win the battle for them.

These are not raptures, there just events that occur, according to the Bible after the rapture.

thanks, dusty...just throwing out questions...and I went back to the original question, and it is about post trib...I'll be back...because I want to read more. Thanks for responding. :il:

[Guest dustycanvas]

Servinghim,

No problem. I can be confusing with how I say some things on here because Iknow what I mean but i do not always get that out. So, bear with me if I get confusing. Just ask for clarification.

[ServingHim]

Servinghim,

I'm the one that orginated the topic on Christ's 1,000 year reign. I am a post Trib believer. No, I do not believe in 3 raptures. I believe as the scriptures say, there will be ONE. ANd that will be at the time of the battle of Armageddon. The 1,000 year reign of Christ isn't another rapture but, it is God taking back governmental control back on the Earth. God gave man the governmental reigns for these times we are living in. After we are raptured we will come back to Earth with Christ and first, rescue Israel. They will be losing the battle of Armageddon when God will win the battle for them.

These are not raptures, there just events that occur, according to the Bible after the rapture.

and when will these people have their final judgment? Are there 2 final judgments? one PRIOR and one AFTERWARDS...for it seems that in Christ's second coming, it seems to me that this is THE END...

Scripture, IMHO, does not depict the world as experiencing a period of complete (or relatively complete) Christianization before the Second Coming. There are many verses that speak of the age between the First and Second Comings as a time of great sorrow and strife for Christians, and one revealing passage is the parable of the wheat and the weeds (Matt 13:24

[ServingHim]

me too, dusty...so please excuse any thing I say that is unclear...this stuff is intriguing... but not essential in our walk with Christ, IMHO... :il:

[Guest dustycanvas]

Servinghim,

The way I understand it, the 1,000 year reign will be after the rapture but before the final judgement. Because after the final judgement God destroys the Earth.