Is God a liar, or is the creation account true?

[dad2]

Some people say God can do anything and is not limited by what He said He did! I would say Jesus and the rest of the bible including angels are correct in confirming creation as per Genesis. One should not try to make God a liar just to get all things including Scripture and God to conform to their scientific beliefs.

 

To paraphrase 1 kings 18:21 ' And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Science, then follow it'

[Sparks]

The Creation story of Genesis was literal, and God does not lie.  He told us what He completed in less than a week.  It's just that some doubt Him because some humans claim they know better.

Science is a tool requiring observation.  Evolution theory is neither observed, nor science.

 

[The Barbarian]

A literal reading of Genesis as a historical account has never been accepted by all Christians, nor has a figurative account been accepted by all Christians.    There never has been a consensus on this; even before YE creationism, there were Christians who did believe that Genesis 1-3 was literal history.   

There's just no agreement on this issue, which has no bearing on salvation. 

"Don't make an idol of your ability to reason."

YE creationist Dr. Todd Wood

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by The Barbarian

[Riverwalker]

Nice post.   Yeah I tried for a time to reconcile man's theory with God's truth.....thinking about a gap theory and all until I read what Jesus said in Mark 10

Mark 10: 6 But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,

And I realized one of two things is the truth

1. God lied, in some grand conspiracy either because He is evil, or He thought we would never figure it out ( and that would mean his is not omniscient if we have figured out)

2. God told the truth and we are allowing ourselves to be swayed by our own pride into figuring out how it happened differently that the 6 days and speaking things into existence.  Evolution is the emperor's new clothes....if you can't see them, its because you are not "cool" and yet with a child like faith we see the truth.

Believe God, because He very clearly stated how and when he made it, with light existing before the sun moon and stars,  birds and fish being created the same day, a day before land animals, and man being created from the dust of the earth and breathed life into him

Or Believe God is a liar and take the word of men 

 

[missmuffet]

19 hours ago, dad2 said:

Some people say God can do anything and is not limited by what He said He did! I would say Jesus and the rest of the bible including angels are correct in confirming creation as per Genesis. One should not try to make God a liar just to get all things including Scripture and God to conform to their scientific beliefs.

 

To paraphrase 1 kings 18:21 ' And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Science, then follow it'

God can not lie. 

[dad2]

3 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

A literal reading of Genesis as a historical account has never been accepted by all Christians, nor has a figurative account been accepted by all Christians.    There never has been a consensus on this; even before YE creationism, there were Christians who did believe that Genesis 1-3 was literal history.   

There's just no agreement on this issue, which has no bearing on salvation. 

"Don't make an idol of your ability to reason."

YE creationist Dr. Todd Wood

 

Jesus believed in the beginning and the first created man and woman. So did everyone else in Scripture and nowhere does anyone contest that in the bible! The angels in Revelation in the end time makes the One who created the heavens and earth a primary focus in what he preaches. Jesus never scolded Moses when they met on the mountain when He was transfigure about how Genesis was all wrong! Peter was there and talked about creation after that, as was John etc. There is total agreement on this issue in the bible and with Jesus. We should care about some who profess belief that despise and fight this truth...why exactly? Some people may thing they are a different sex than they are or that they are an alien and be in a church. That does not make the disagreement with truth and reality of Scripture of no effect! It just makes many not all that close to the depths and riches of Scripture and the nature of God.

[dad2]

2 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

Nice post.   Yeah I tried for a time to reconcile man's theory with God's truth.....thinking about a gap theory and all until I read what Jesus said in Mark 10

Mark 10: 6 But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,

And I realized one of two things is the truth

1. God lied, in some grand conspiracy either because He is evil, or He thought we would never figure it out ( and that would mean his is not omniscient if we have figured out)

2. God told the truth and we are allowing ourselves to be swayed by our own pride into figuring out how it happened differently that the 6 days and speaking things into existence.  Evolution is the emperor's new clothes....if you can't see them, its because you are not "cool" and yet with a child like faith we see the truth.

Believe God, because He very clearly stated how and when he made it, with light existing before the sun moon and stars,  birds and fish being created the same day, a day before land animals, and man being created from the dust of the earth and breathed life into him

Or Believe God is a liar and take the word of men 

 

I agree. It is a bit like the old saying 'Pee or get off the pot'.

[dad2]

17 hours ago, Sparks said:

The Creation story of Genesis was literal, and God does not lie.  He told us what He completed in less than a week.  It's just that some doubt Him because some humans claim they know better.

 

 

Right, and some humans get mad when we do not believe them over God. I would call that pride. 

[The Barbarian]

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

Jesus believed in the beginning and the first created man and woman.

Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. [2] And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters.

God makes it very clear what was there in the Biblical beginning, and man and woman were not there.    Jesus was speaking of the beginning of the human race.

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

Jesus never scolded Moses when they met on the mountain when He was transfigure about how Genesis was all wrong!

It's not wrong at all.   You just don't accept it the way it is.  

5 hours ago, dad2 said:

There is total agreement on this issue in the bible and with Jesus.

But not with Dad, it seems.   Your new interpretation is what's at fault here.

If your interpretation was obviously true, then almost all Christians would accept it.  But most Christians don't.   And that's the reality.

 

[dad2]

 To Barbarian

 

Obviously the part of the beginning He was referring to was day 6 when they were here. Refresh my memory, do you believe in a real Eve that was actually taken from the created man's body by God after putting Adam to sleep? Yes or no?

Edited July 27, 2021 by dad2