Is God a liar, or is the creation account true?

[BeyondET]

17 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

I was thinking, the lights were expected to divide the day from the night (as God appointed what they were to do in Genesis 1:14) these serving for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years right? And yet we know there was mention of what we call evening and morning before those specific lights were set in their place to divide between them (the evening and the morning). So wouldn't the lights division of the evening and mornings fall right in line naturally within the time frame of the evening and morning which were before them? Was that sentence too long and squishy?

Psalm 113:3 From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name is to be praised.

Psalm 104:9 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

What if the evenng and the morning were 12 hours a piece prior to the lights being set and just remained that same time period after being set to divide between the evening and the morning?

I find this very interesting right now for some reason

Those verses are interesting indeed, lights for seasons the moon appointed for seasons, yet it's understood that season's occur because the earth is tilted on it's axis relative to the orbital plane. Speaking of 12 hours days and nights that is the norm on the equator all year long

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

13 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Interesting idea.  This is why we define things like seasons, days, mornings, and evenings, in terms of astronomical bodies.  By definition.

Yes.  This is the text telling us that those are not literal days, mornings, or evenings.

This is more figurative language.  The sun has no consciousness.   

There would be no morning or evening before there was a sun.  By definition, those terms describe the position of the sun at different times.

 

I dont know how to separate the quotes, but to your first sentence that wasnt my idea that was actually written, I just started out pointing that out first.

To your second sentence, I would just go with how he shows it, something can be literal whether its material or spiritual in nature, like death, there is spiritual death and that is carnal (material death, so to speak) the nature of the death can be different but still literal according to whichever one its speaking of.

Just like the sun as you pointed out in your third sentence, it has no consciusness, but Christ who is the Sun of righteousness does (and he who did know his hour and his own doing down when he was in the world) where he was the light of it while he was in it) pointed out. So the one that which is made in respects to the creation of the world can show us the invisible things of him. Those things of him (the invisible things)  from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead.

The one (visible) shows the invisible things of him 

Psalm 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun

Paul points out that in Genesis God commanded the light and brings it forward into peoples darkened hearts showcasing Christ (the light of the world while he was in it, who is the Sun of righteousness)

2Cr 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God  in the face of Jesus Christ.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

These sorts of things are pretty awesome I think

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

3 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Those verses are interesting indeed, lights for seasons the moon appointed for seasons, yet it's understood that season's occur because the earth is tilted on it's axis relative to the orbital plane. Speaking of 12 hours days and nights that is the norm on the equator all year long

I don't understand what that might have to do with the season here

For example the word is shown here

https://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4150&t=KJV 

They would look to the new moons (for example) for times.

There is just a 24 hour day for us typically, the measure of light we get from the sun whether we live where we are or in Alaska or the equator would be different as determined by our locations. The sun is always there our locations are not always directly under it. From our perspective we usually say (wherever we are) that the sun is setting, or its sun down, or in the early morning its dawn or sunrise because from our point of view thats how it appears.

 

 

 

[The Barbarian]

7 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

To your second sentence, I would just go with how he shows it, something can be literal whether its material or spiritual in nature, like death, there is spiritual death and that is carnal (material death, so to speak) the nature of the death can be different but still literal according to whichever one its speaking of.

 

In this case, the "days" are categories of creation, not time periods.

 

[BeyondET]

7 hours ago, AFlameOfFire said:

I don't understand what that might have to do with the season here

For example the word is shown here

https://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4150&t=KJV 

They would look to the new moons (for example) for times.

There is just a 24 hour day for us typically, the measure of light we get from the sun whether we live where we are or in Alaska or the equator would be different as determined by our locations. The sun is always there our locations are not always directly under it. From our perspective we usually say (wherever we are) that the sun is setting, or its sun down, or in the early morning its dawn or sunrise because from our point of view thats how it appears.

 

 

 

so in the context of genesis 1 those seasons mentioned are not the actual earth seasons of spring,summer,fall,winter

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

15 hours ago, BeyondET said:

so in the context of genesis 1 those seasons mentioned are not the actual earth seasons of spring,summer,fall,winter

How can anyone tell if winter, fall, or summer is nigh by the moon? I can be dumb as rocks but I didn't know you could do that. When I read the scripture it seems to indicate elsewhere which day of the month by the new moons and when to observe the holy convocations, but I havent seen the seasons (as we might count seasons) demonstrated in scripture, unless I missed it. I am all ears if you found something.

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

16 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

 

In this case, the "days" are categories of creation, not time periods.

 

 

I don't know what folks from either opinion might sum it up as all I know is I wasn't there so I can't say. I just see things often fold over from one place into another and then another and I find that fascinating.

 

I tried posting to you 9 times today and my posts regardless of which forum would not post, I was giving it one last try with BeyondET when I lost my post to you.

I must be doing something wrong here, I thought they were silently banning me or something lol...I thought, "what did I do"? lol

[The Barbarian]

13 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

I must be doing something wrong here, I thought they were silently banning me or something lol...I thought, "what did I do"? lol

I had a glitch like that once,here.   Still don't know what I did to make it happen.

 

[The Barbarian]

23 minutes ago, AFlameOfFire said:

How can anyone tell if winter, fall, or summer is nigh by the moon?

Count the number of full moons since a particular event like the summer solstice.

The Hebrews used a lunar calendar.

 

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

Count the number of full moons since a particular event like the summer solstice.

The Hebrews used a lunar calendar.

 

I hear what you are saying but where is an example of this in scripture?

There's one that I cant see the moon attached to in Deut 16:9 where it speaks of counting off a certain number of days for putting a sickle to the corn. Then there was another  metioning the moon saying, when will the new moon be gone so they can actually sell the corn  (In Amos 8:5).  But I dont really see anything mentioned that represents our "winter, fall, spring, and summers" according to the moons status in scripture or how the moon is responsible for these somehow in scripture rather then a kind of sign  if I put that right.

I do see it mentioned for those other things, but for these I have sifted through scripture and cannot find anything for it.

I would be interested in someone found something and could post it so I can take a closer look