Abuse

[JohnR7]

On 7/29/2021 at 1:06 PM, Chicken coop2 said:

Never saw my childhood memories so clearly summed up in just 6 words.

My father was a pediatrician for over 50 years. Very well respected by the community as being an expert. Yet at times he was abusive. His authorities were Dr Spook and Dr Fraud. (Spock & Freud) 

[JohnR7]

6 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

If your spouse is making you miserable, I can see no reason you can't leave your spouse. However, you can only remarry if your spouse is guilty of unchastity (Matthew 1:9).

If your spouse is making you miserable then it is time to pray. It is interesting that they had multiple wives. David had 8 and Solomon 700.

[missmuffet]

12 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

That is what the Rabbi recommend. Get away and stay away from those people. This is why young women are to teach the children, not men. Even older women are to teach the younger women. 

I don't see why young women and not men can teach the children. Your comment makes no sense. 

[johnthebaptist]

1 minute ago, JohnR7 said:

If your spouse is making you miserable then it is time to pray. It is interesting that they had multiple wives. David had 8 and Solomon 700.

Yes, if your spouse is making you miserable, you would pray. But if I were married to a monster, I would leave her. I'm not aware of anything in the Bible that says I can't do that. There is a difference between leaving someone and divorcing someone. 

[JohnR7]

2 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I don't see why young women and not men can teach the children. Your comment makes no sense. 

I am just quoting the Bible: Titus 2:4 "3Older women, likewise, are to be reverent in their behavior, not slanderers or addicted to much wine, but teachers of good. 4In this way they can train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled, pure, managers of their households, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be discredited."

Clearly it is the older women that are to teach the younger women. My wife is very well respected in her community. The younger women look up to her for guidance and advice in things a man would not be of any help at all. 

The idea that women are to teach men and men are to teach young girls is simply not in the Bible. That is not what Paul wanted to establish in the Church. 

Jesus set the example in that the Husband is to sacrifice himself for his bride. In the same way that Jesus went to calvary to sacrifice Himself for the Church (Bride). 

[missmuffet]

5 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I am just quoting the Bible: Titus 2:4 "3Older women, likewise, are to be reverent in their behavior, not slanderers or addicted to much wine, but teachers of good. 4In this way they can train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled, pure, managers of their households, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be discredited."

Clearly it is the older women that are to teach the younger women. My wife is very well respected in her community. The younger women look up to her for guidance and advice in things a man would not be of any help at all. 

The idea that women are to teach men and men are to teach young girls is simply not in the Bible. That is not what Paul wanted to establish in the Church. 

Jesus set the example in that the Husband is to sacrifice himself for his bride. In the same way that Jesus went to calvary to sacrifice Himself for the Church (Bride). 

Titus 2:4 has nothing to do with women teaching children but it deals with mothers loving their children. So you are no interpreting Titus 2:4 correctly.

[JohnR7]

7 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

But if I were married to a monster, I would leave her.

Women can be just as abusive as men. I can not help but to laugh at that song that says: "He walked into my knife 10 times". There are sins of omission and sins of commission. I had a friend that divorced his wife because she was not willing or able to take care of him. He got half of his first wife's retirement and gave it to his second wife. He almost died right after he did that, but we were able to pray for him and he did recover. 

[JohnR7]

47 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Titus 2:4 has nothing to do with women teaching children but it deals with mothers loving their children. So you are no interpreting Titus 2:4 correctly.

Are you saying that the Bible does not allow young women to teach children? Older women are to teach younger women and younger women are to teach (love) the children. Where is that a contradiction with the Bible? 

I went through four teacher training classes at the Bible college. Two more classes and I could get a certificate to be a sunday school superintendent. I took the classes so I could learn how to better communicate when having discussions like this. Not to be an actual sunday school teacher. 

Edited July 30, 2021 by JohnR7

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, JohnR7 said:

Are you saying that the Bible does not allow young women to teach children? Older women are to teach younger women and younger women are to teach (love) the children. Where is that a contradiction with the Bible? 

I went through four teacher training classes at the Bible college. Two more classes and I could get a certificate to be a sunday school superintendent. I took the classes so I could learn how to better communicate when having discussions like this. Not to be an actual sunday school teacher. 

Women can teach children but men can teach children as well. 

[JohnR7]

On 7/29/2021 at 2:18 AM, Willa said:

God had told me it was not a good witness to be a doormat.

We are told to turn the cheek which would suggest that the third time they had better watch out. Yet Jesus tells His disciples that we are to forgive 70 times 7 times.