Is that His real name Jesus?

[Ancient]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Why would the Bible lie to us? If the Bible says His name is Jesus then it is Jesus. 

Lol the Bible is Hebrew it hasn't lied. The Bible is written in Hebrew what we have is a translation of the Bible that has very questionable ways of translating the original Hebrew Bible. It doesn't matter whether it is English, French, German etc there will always be changes in translations it is inevitable. I am simply making people aware of this and showing the importance of going back to the original source. This is why so many false doctrines of men have come about because people are not understanding what there Bibles are saying. All translations have a bias from the translator this is why one can read the NKJV, NIV, ESV, NAB and the list goes on and there are variations in how they chose what English words to use. 

But with Hebrew there are none when you read the Hebrew text it is that Hebrew word and that only there are no variations in the original Hebrew inspired word of God.

I totally understand why this can rattle a lot of cages. My own cage was rattled many years ago, I came to the place where I had to admit and come to peace with what I was taught was wrong, and set out on this wonderful journey of discovering what the scriptures actually are trying to teach us. The Bible was written in a Hebrew language and within a Hebrew culture. Want to know about the language and culture would it not be wise to learn from them.

For example I am Australian there are so many idioms and phrases we use in the Australian English language that unless you understand Australian perspective you won't understand what is being said. The same would be said of Americans and American English, I have personally experienced this myself when I have visited America. I used the same English word but it meant something different to the American than what it did to me an Australian.

Our Bibles are full of idioms which are words and phrases that can only be understood from the perspective of a Hebrew mindset. Our English translations miss most of these idioms and understandings. 

Shalom friend

[Ancient]

4 hours ago, Josheb said:

I read a lot of good and helpful information but I do not read any answers to the questions asked: Why were the names changed? Do you have an explanation for the "why" the names were changed? Is some conspiracy thought to have existed? What difference do you think would occur if all the English-speaking people started using the names "Yehshus/Yahoshua" and "Yakov"? What was the purpose of this op? 

I don't know about you but I liked to be called by my name. Look I am not picking on the name Jesus, I am making the point of the translating of the Original word. The Bible declares there is power in His name, when He says ask in my Name, or in My name..... it was not the name Jesus as 2000 yrs ago this word was not even around it was the name Yeshua which means salvation and deliverance. Jesus in English does not convey this same meaning. In Hebrew most words have a concrete meaning. Look at the amazing affect this has had on some cultures. For example, how many people in South America and other similar cultures name their boys Jesus? 

Shalom Friend 

[Ancient]

3 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

So...question, does a translation calling Him Jesus over Yahway, or whatever greek word you want to use, change the message of the text?

Does calling "Jacob" "james" change the content/message of the book?

LOL you have totally missed the point. If they had the gal to do this what else have they done?

Shalom friend

[Ancient]

2 hours ago, appy said:

Scriptures which speak of not judging another regarding sabbath keeping, can be applied to this issue as well. Because, the Lord knows who are His and whether we are pleasing Him or not. Whether we use one spelling or pronunciation over another is something each person must decide.

Whether we esteem certain foods over another, esteem certain days over another or esteem certain spellings over another. Scripture says God has accepted us all in the same way. And that is through the work of Christ on the cross. Whether I use Jesus or a use the Hebrew or Greek pronunciation, you still know who I am speaking of.

God is fully able to let each of us know whether we are doing wrong, or we are pleasing him. We are NOT called to be language cops or morality cops, but to share the gospel message with the lost.

LOL totally missed the point. Yes you can use Jesus, Iesesus, Yeshua. He knows who are His. The point is the perceived manipulation and leading in the translated text, taking out a lot of the Hebrew culture and meanings behind the words. Why? Why has this been done? That is the point. 

As an observer from Australia with the recent coverage of the American election and the amount of reporting bias and manipulation that was displayed and is still ongoing, was quite amazing to behold. Understand whatever English version you read also has a bias. This is why there are so many differences even between English versions. They have a bias!

Shalom Friend

[Ancient]

1 hour ago, Deborah_ said:

The names didn't come directly into English from either Hebrew or Greek, but via Latin. Apparently that accounts for a lot of the changes.

Most English translations relied heavily on the Greek text. All the writers of the NT were Hebrew people. Who lived and spoke in a Hebrew culture in Jerusalem and Galilee and all between. Yes I understand they also spoke Aramaic and some like Paul Greek also. Latin has some influence but originally translation relied heavily on Greek. As Latin cam along later.

Shalom Friend

[Ancient]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

That is not quite correct. We have no idea what in language(s) the scriptures were originally. The scriptures were written in four languages: Hebrew, Chaldean, Aramaic, and Greek. Except for the possibility of Matthew's gospel, the entire New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew. It's possible but not likely that Jesus spoke in Hebrew; he spoke in Aramaic. Therefore, if a New Testament writer were to have written something in Hebrew he'd have had to first translate what Jesus said from Aramaic to Hebrew (and then it was later translated into Greek ). 

 

As far as the names go; I'm fairly confident God's knows what we mean when he call Yaheshua or Y'shua, "Jesus".  In French the name "Michael" is "Michel," the name ""Stephen" is "Etienne," George is Yuri in Russian, and the name Grace is Jane in English and Siobhan in Celtic. Remember: God is the inventor of language. God is also the one ultimately responsible for His Word. Most Christians here in the forum and those I know outside the forum know and understand names in the Bible aren't originally in English, they have meaning that is significant aside from being merely a name, whether we say Yshua or Jesus God knows who we're referencing. So again I ask you, given the fact some very good facts have been shared in this op,

 

What is the purpose of the op?
Why do you think the names were changed?
Is its purpose to imply or otherwise insinuate there is a problem with the Bible?
Is some conspiracy thought to have existed?
What difference do you think would occur if all the English-speaking people started using the names "Yehshus/Yahoshua" and "Yakov"? 

Agree to disagree I will continually pray for eyes to be opened. Jesus was a Jew of course He spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Archeology clearly reveal Hebrew was spoken in the 1st century. Oh dear.

Shalom Friend

[Ancient]

25 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Do you believe there will be more (new) scripture written? 

Do you?

[Ancient]

2 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Ooooooo..... that has yet to be proven. Neither has it been shown our using the name "Yeshua/Yahoshua/Yshua would maintain "the Hebrew culture and meaning behind the words." 

 

You are aware the Jews got a few things wrong? Yes? Given the fact the Jews got a few things wrong we'd want to be cautious about automatic reliance on Hebrew and the Jewish view of their own scriptures, yes? 

You saying the Jews didn't hear from God and the Hebrew scriptures are not the inspired word of God?

Shalom Friend

[Ancient]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Ooooooo..... that has yet to be proven. Neither has it been shown our using the name "Yeshua/Yahoshua/Yshua would maintain "the Hebrew culture and meaning behind the words." 

 

You are aware the Jews got a few things wrong? Yes? Given the fact the Jews got a few things wrong we'd want to be cautious about automatic reliance on Hebrew and the Jewish view of their own scriptures, yes? 

Yeshua is Hebrew. So yes it would maintain the meaning Yeshua means salvation, deliverance. LOL

Shalom Friend

[AandW_Rootbeer]

2 hours ago, Ancient said:

Yeshua is Hebrew. So yes it would maintain the meaning Yeshua means salvation, deliverance. LOL

Shalom Friend

Properly in line with meaning, Yeshua literally means Yahweh's Salvation.  I like to add <Plan> behind it to make it read "Yahweh's Salvation Plan!"

 

What was Yahweh's Salvation Plan?   Yeshua enduring Death/Burial/Resurrection!