I'm Encouraged to See....

[appy]

1 hour ago, Tammy Roesch said:

So Alive, I'm just about to hit the hay here  (We go to bed usually about 8:30 and I get up about 4:30.).... You quoted these verses as proof that Christians can eat anything they want to eat ~ 

Can you tell me, regarding Timothy 4:1-5, specifically what in that verse says it's now acceptable for Christians to eat UNCLEAN MEATS?  Can you give me a verse that specifically says that PORK is NOW OK for Christians to eat?  It needs to be as specific as the verse that says that PORK is NOT OK for Christians to eat ~ 

Where is a verse that clearly says that the pig is NOW CLEAN food?

As for Romans 14:16, I agree 100%. The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking.   You CANNOT eat your way into Heaven :).  But you surely can eat your way OUT.

Romans 14:20....That ALL is a very inclusive word.  When I send my kids to the grocery store, I tell them, "You can buy ANYTHING (same as ALL) you want to buy."  But my kids KNOW that when I say ALL or ANYTHING, it is WITHIN the list of APPROVED FOODS.  They know they could never buy beer or cigarettes or unclean meat and bring them home and say, "Mom, you said I could buy ANYTHING I wanted."  So too, the JEWS all knew that when God said "ANYTHING" that ALL or ANYTHING included ALL the wonderful APPROVED FOODS, but NONE of the foods on the UNCLEAN LIST.

 I posted this scripture  earlier.  And in this discussion, we are seeing this prediction being fulfilled, for the topic in and of itself, is about getting people to not eat meat or only certain meats. It is NOT up to you to decide, what foods other people eat.  This discussion is the very reason several people here, have a strong dislike for anything SDA.   

1 Timothy 4:3 -5
and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,  because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

Colossians 2:16,17
 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.  These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Colossians 2:20-23
Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules:  “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?  These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.  Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

 

[appy]

2 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

As for Romans 14:16, I agree 100%. The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking.   You CANNOT eat your way into Heaven :).  But you surely can eat your way OUT.

The two sentences contradict each other.

[Marathoner]

4 hours ago, missmuffet said:

I don't eat salmon any more although I love it. Salmon has worms in it. 

Bonus protein.  

[appy]

If observing dietary laws, could keep us in heaven, then there would have been no need for Jesus to die on the cross.  If an individual is counting on Torah observance to curry God's favor, then Jesus' work on the cross is of no value to the individual. There is NOTHING we can do to earn our salvation, for if we have to earn it, then it would not be a free gift.  

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

When we stop trying to labor in earning  justification before God, then we find rest in Christ. Trying to earn our way to God through Torah observance is wearisome and a burden that we can not fully bear.  We find rest when we stop struggling to earn righteousness through trying to be good enough.

Acts 15:10,11
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?  No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 

[Marathoner]

3 hours ago, walla299 said:

That last paragraph is frankly a bit over the top. Sorry, but it sounds like a straw man argument, but maybe that's just me. I have, however, heard that preached by some SDAs I knew in East Texas. Somehow their comments always fell flat since we were in the middle of ranch country and all kinds of livestock.

There is no warrant for the NT believer to keep the dietary laws. This has been stated many times, but I'll repeat it here. Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone - because we fallen humans could not keep the Law to begin with. 

 

I heard the same thing from SDA members, brother. This, in spite of being forbidden by the apostle to judge others according to what they eat (or don't eat). Food for the stomach and the stomach for food; God will destroy both. 

Their argument is not scripturally supported. It's sourced from Ellen White's rhetoric. 

Edited August 12, 2021 by Marathoner

[missmuffet]

28 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Bonus protein.  

But those worms can live in your stomach and cause problems.

[Marathoner]

Bonus protein:

When I was a kid living in the Philippines, our soccer games would often take place after sunset. Therefore the coaches would turn on the floodlights...

And the skeeters were thicker than pea soup! Oh my, the air was filled with hungry mosquitoes. I'm running from one goal to the other and along the way, my eyes are stinging from the skeeters... I'm breathing some of them in... and a few even went down the hatch! 

Bonus protein...

When the locusts arrive to devour crops, then locusts are on the menu. 

Bonus protein! 

 

[missmuffet]

15 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

I heard the same thing from SDA members, brother. This, in spite of being forbidden by the apostle to judge others according to what they eat (or don't eat). Food for the stomach and the stomach for food; God will destroy both. 

Their argument is not scripturally supported. It's sourced from Ellen White's rhetoric. 

From putting the puzzle pieces together I think Tammy is SDA. 

[Marathoner]

3 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

But those worms can live in your stomach and cause problems.

I see. My stomach is worm-free.  

[Marathoner]

2 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

From putting the puzzle pieces together I think Tammy is SDA. 

Affirmative.