Why waste the energy?

[Guest yod]

Why omit so many verses? Why tell only half the story?? Are you afraid of the truth?

Let's go ahead and look at the REST of what happened at this meeting in Acts 15

WARNING!!!! This is the Word of God!

James's Judgment

13After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, "Brethren, listen to me. 14"Simeon (why wasn't he called Peter or Pope?) has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name.

19"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,

James made the ruling. Simeon (Peter) is clearly UNDER his authority

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Another example?

WARNING; This is the Word of God!

Galatians 2

11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

Paul rebuked the Pope? Of course not...Peter was not the Pope nor in authority over Paul

12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, (another indication that James was the leader) he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision.

why was Peter afraid of the authority of James? Because James HAD authority.

13The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.

(How does an infallible Pope fall into hypocrisy in matters like these?)

Peter was under the authority of Paul AND James here. It's just painfully obvious to anyone who will read the text with an intellectually honest analysis.

[Guest yod]

This one verse wipes out your entire premise

Galatians 2:9 and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars,

Do you realize what this is saying? Paul says that they are "reputed" to be the leaders. In other words, they are the leaders by reputation...not appointment.

Why didn't Paul say that Peter (Cephas) was appointed by Jesus to be the leader even once in all of his writings?

Because it isn't true. Simple logic.

It's up to you to believe the truth or swallow a camel. If you deny the obvious there is no reason to talk further. I have no desire to destroy Catholics...my only desire is to find the truth.

In some things I find Catholics and their doctrine more truthful than Protestants...but no one gets a pass.

[SpiritualSon]

This concerns the Protestant Church.

Revelation 2:18-26

Verse 18. "And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write," This signifies to those and concerning those who are in faith from charity, and in good works; and also to those and concerning those, who are in faith separated from charity, and in evil works. "These things saith the Son of God who hath His eyes like unto a flame of fire." This signifies the Lord as to the Divine wisdom of His Divine love. "And His feet like fine brass." This signifies Divine good natural.

Verse 19. "I know thy works," This signifies here, as before. "And charity and ministry." This signifies the spiritual affection which is called charity, and its operation. "And faith, and thy endurance" signifies truth and the desire of acquiring and teaching it. "And the last to be more than the first." Thissignifies the increase thereof from the spiritual affection of truth.

Verse 20. "But I have a few things against thee." This signifies what follows. "That thou permittest that woman Jezebel." This signifies that among them there are some in the church who separate faith from charity. "Who calleth herself a prophetess." This signifies, and who make the doctrine of faith alone the doctrine of the church. "To teach and to seduce My servants to commit whoredom." This signifies, from which it comes to pass that the truths of the Word are falsified. "And to eat idol-sacrifices." This signifies the defilement of worship, and profanations.

Verse 21. "And I gave her time to repent of her whoredom, and she repented not." This signifies that they who have confirmed themselves in the doctrine of faith alone, without good works, do not recede, although they see things contrary to it in the Word.

Verse 22. "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and they that commit adultery with her into great affliction." This signifies that therefore they will be left in their doctrine with falsifications, and that they will be grievously infested by falsities. "Except they repent." This signifies if they will not desist from separating faith from charity.

Verse 23. "And I will kill her sons with death." This signifies that all the truths of the Word will be turned into falsities. "And all the churches shall know that I am He that searcheth the reins and hearts." This signifies that the church may know that the Lord sees the quality of everyone's truth, and the quality of his good. "And I will give unto each one according to his works." This signifies that He gives unto everyone according to the charity and its faith which is in the works.

Verse 24. "But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine." This signifies to those with whom the doctrine of faith is separated from charity, and to those with whom the doctrine of faith is joined with charity. "And who have not known the depths of Satan." This signifies they who do not understand their interiors, which are mere falsities. "I will put upon you none other burden." This signifies only that they should beware of them.

Verse 25. "Nevertheless, that which ye have, hold fast till I come." This signifies that they should retain the few things which they know concerning charity, and concerning faith from the Word, and live according to them until the Lord's coming.

Verse 26. "And he that overcometh and keepeth My works unto the end." This signifies those who are in charity and actually in faith, and remain in them to the end of their lives. "To him will I give power over the nations." This signifies that they shall overcome the evils in themselves which are from hell.

Harry

[Guest yod]

I'm trying to figure out why you think this is limited to the "protestant" church?

It is the whole church.

[RGR]

I'm trying to figure out why you think this is limited to the "protestant" church?

It is the whole church.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree with you, Yod. We are being singled out, however, because Protestants "left" the Catholic church and in his mind, we are bad and evil, etc. I don't agree with the stance, however, but I think that's where he's coming from.

[Guest yod]

I'm trying to figure out why you think this is limited to the "protestant" church?

It is the whole church.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree with you, Yod. We are being singled out, however, because Protestants "left" the Catholic church and in his mind, we are bad and evil, etc. I don't agree with the stance, however, but I think that's where he's coming from.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

REALLY?

It is refreshing to find a Catholic who admits that the first churches in Asia Minor were not Catholic

Why didn't Peter the Pope write these letters if he was the leader back then?

Obvious answer; Because Peter was never the Pope!

[RGR]

I'm trying to figure out why you think this is limited to the "protestant" church?

It is the whole church.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree with you, Yod. We are being singled out, however, because Protestants "left" the Catholic church and in his mind, we are bad and evil, etc. I don't agree with the stance, however, but I think that's where he's coming from.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

REALLY?

It is refreshing to find a Catholic who admits that the first churches in Asia Minor were not Catholic

Why didn't Peter the Pope write these letters if he was the leader back then?

Obvious answer; Because Peter was never the Pope!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yod, have you been around Ted too long? I didn't address anything about the first churches not being Catholic, etc. I think Ted is rubbing off on you!

[Guest yod]

Not you, silly

I don't know what SpiritualSon meant by that but you said he means that Protestant churches are who those "Letters to the Seven Churches" are written

[RGR]

Not you, silly 

I don't know what SpiritualSon meant by that but you said he means that Protestant churches are who those "Letters to the Seven Churches" are written

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yod, just overlook me today! I'm coming down with whatever's going around and I guess I missed something!

[Fiosh]

Why omit so many verses? Why tell only half the story?? Are you afraid of the truth?

Let's go ahead and look at the REST of what happened at this meeting in Acts 15

WARNING!!!!  This is the Word of God!

James's Judgment

  13After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, "Brethren, listen to me.   14"Simeon (why wasn't he called Peter or Pope?) has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name.

  19"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,

James made the ruling. Simeon (Peter) is clearly UNDER his authority

===============================================

Another example?

WARNING; This is the Word of God!

Galatians 2

  11 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.  

Paul rebuked the Pope? Of course not...Peter was not the Pope nor in authority over Paul

12 For prior to the coming of certain men from James, (another indication that James was the leader) he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision.

why was Peter afraid of the authority of James? Because James HAD authority.

  13The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.

(How does an infallible Pope fall into hypocrisy in matters like these?)

 

Peter was under the authority of Paul AND James here. It's just painfully obvious to anyone who will read the text with an intellectually honest analysis.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Like that's never been said before. It's a common challenge and has been thoroughly answered to my satisfaction.

I'm going out for some exercise now. I'll get to this as soon as I get a chance.

And can you release some of the hot air out of your balloon?

Maybe we can discuss this like two rational adults?

F