A clear conscience…..

[Not me]

1 Timothy 3:9 (NASB20)
but holding to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience.

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Holding onto the mystery of trusting God in life, it is a mystery because it cannot be seen with human eyes, but the eyes of the heart can taste one’s faith.. This is where faith becomes a substance, it becomes a thing, a real thing that the heart can taste… Holding onto this mysterious substance, knowing that sin, the works of self is that that causes the conscience to hide itself from faith…  For only a clear conscience can hold onto this substance of faith that touches God…

It is this holding onto one’s faith in God when the tempers, passions and desires of this life would cloud and press into one… This holding on will produce this substance of faith the eyes of the heart can actually taste, for the heart will let one know when it has lost this tasting of faith by a deadness inside that can not be denied, or in other words, by the losing of one’s joy… 

This losing of one’s joy is the instantaneous word of God to turn and repent… It matters not if it is a large or small thing, for the turning back to faith is the issue that causes one’s growth in this substance of faith…. For all things come from God through this mystery of faith..  

Not when one has arrived or been made perfect, but the conscience is clear when it knows nothing against itself.. It is this clear conscience that can boldly come before the Throne of God and lay its petitions down..  It is this clear conscience that is met with the loving arms of God..  For faith is the substance of, this substance is met and embraced by the God of love.. But this substance must needs have a clear conscience to be of effect and receive from God…

So the question becomes how can one maintain this clear conscience as one’s tempers, passions, desires are on a rampage?

Die to them…

This constant clear conscience can be manifested and maintained by a constant reckoning oneself dead, for all truths come back to this truth, for without this truth no other truth can be made a living reality in life that will abide, that will not be at mercy of one of the tempers.. 

For experiencing the mysterious salvation from this life to the new, is the birth right of all that have been made partakers of the new birth….

Be blessed in the new birth as the mystery of faith grows…. 

A fellow follower of His, Not me 

[missmuffet]

As Christians we are to keep our conscience clear by obeying God and by keep our relationship with Him in good standing.

[Not me]

1 minute ago, missmuffet said:

As Christians we are to keep our conscience clear by obeying God and by keep our relationship with Him in good standing.

So true, be blessed in the experiencing…

A fellow believer, Not me 

[Not me]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

What are "eyes of the heart"?

Ephesians 1:18a (NASB20)
I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, ….

The same truth is being spoken of as when Paul penned the phrase…

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

How do they taste?

Psalm 34:8a (NASB20)
Taste and see that the LORD is good; …… 

And again, the same truth is being pointed at as when this phrase was penned…

In both cases what is being described is the living sensibility of the truth that is being put forth…  Or maybe better said, knowing the truth by experience where it becomes part of one’s life…

(for in this living sensibility does faith become a substance)

Be blessed in the experiencing of  the truths put forth in scripture.. 

In the Beloved, Not me 

[Not me]

21 minutes ago, Josheb said:

That is not an answer to the question asked. I could have quoted the scripture. I am asking you if you have any clue what Paul means when he says "eyes of the heart". What are "eyes of the heart," Not me? 

Thanks, but again, I did not ask for scripture to be eisegetically cut and pasted together. It is not yet clear that you've posted any truth. What are eyes of the heart and how do eyes do any tasting? Is there any truth in your posts or are you just copying and pasting metaphors together without any understanding of their meaning (btw, that's a hint)?  The way you post is just as important to what you post so try to demonstrate an understanding of the eyes and taste in the way the questions are answered; how and not just what. 

Begging the question. 

I thought we were talking about the eyes of the heart of faith, not truth. Are the goal posts also being moved? The only truth the op speaks of is that of constantly reckoning oneself dead. That's very ironic. Can you reckon yourself dead and answer these questions? 

Ephesians 1's "eyes of your heart" is about hope, not faith. It is written to those Paul has just acknowledged having possession of faith. It is about the hope of God's calling and the inheritance and power therein. 

 

 

Do you also understand the "mystery of faith" is not a mystery to those in Christ? 

I’m sorry my answer didn’t satisfy you… May God Himself bless you with an increase of Himself as you search into Him…

A fellow servant of His, Not me 

[Not me]

7 minutes ago, Josheb said:

It's not about my satisfaction. Nice red herring. My questions are about providing you with the opportunity to 1) clarify the op, 2) post truth from which we can all benefit, and 3) demonstrate in practice and not mere word the clarified truth present in the scriptures referenced. 

Don't cop out and make this about me. Answer the questions asked. What are the eyes of our heart? How do eyes taste? The mystery of faith isn't a mystery for those in Christ. Don't run away from these questions; answer them. Discuss those answers. Discuss them with me. 

Or don't. 

But if you choose not to discuss the deeper truths of your own op then make that choice without scapegoating a brother in Christ because that shows a blind heart and not a person reckoning himself dead in Christ. Your best play here, Not me, is to engage these questions. I've already provided a few cues to help and answer these questions. Here's another: What does the Bible mean when it speaks of the "heart"?

I did answer your question in the light of truth…

Maybe,,,, if by chance, my answer is indeed the truth, and if your willing and want to know for sure, take it before God and ask about the truth or falseness of my response…

For nothing I can say can make one see till God…

Be at peace in Him, Not me 

 

[Not me]

33 minutes ago, Josheb said:

No, the questions asked were not answered in the light of truth. In that absence I offered an opportunity to do so and I provided cues to facilitate your doing so.  You have tried to make it about me and not the op and there is no truth in that, Not me. I am now  providing an opportunity for a truthful scripturally-informed answer to be provided. It's your op. If truthful answers to the questions are not provided I will do so myself. 

What are the "eyes of the heart," because Ephesians 1:18a is NOT the correct answer?

How do "eyes," or "eyes of your heart," taste because Psalm 34:8a is not the answer to that question, either? 

Do you understand the mystery of faith is not a mystery to those in Christ?

How does scripture define the term "heart"? 

 

You've got four questions offered to you in good will as an opportunity to clarify the op and post in the light of truth. It's been seven posts.

Waiting. 

 

 

It

 

is 

 

not

 

about

 

me. 

 

There is not light of truth in you making it that way. Just answer the questions asked. 

If your heart tells you this;

‘In both cases what is being described is the living sensibility of the truth that is being put forth…  Or maybe better said, knowing the truth by experience where it becomes part of one’s life…’

it is not the correct answer, stay with your heart, and may God increase Himself in you in all good things.. 

 Be blessed in Him, Not me 

Edited September 2, 2021 by Not me

[Steveo34]

Glory to God! Amen.

[Not me]

24 minutes ago, Josheb said:

My heart does not tell me such things and neither do I read any other poster mentioning anything even remotely like such a though so I do not know why you would add that that to the conversation. I asked for an affirmative response. "What are the eyes of your heart?" Not "What are not the eyes of the heart?" I asked "How do eyes taste?" not how do they not taste. These are easily answered questions but you've refused to do so, and it's your op! I didn't ask "Do you not understand the mystery of faith...? I asked if you understood it is not a mystery...? The answer is a simple, "YES! Praise God it is no longer a mystery!" but that is not what has been posted. 

 

So after several exchanges the lack of eyes, taste and knowledge of the mystery has been demonstrated. 

When I return I will go through the op line by line and affirm that which warrants affirmation and refute that which warrants refutation because there is a lot of warm and fuzzy sounding stuff in the op but there is no substance. It is an excellent example of empty spirituality that should be corrected and resisted. 

 

You were given an opportunity to this differently. 

As the peace of Christ rules in our hearts, are we blessed…

One of His, Not me 

[Not me]

4 minutes ago, Josheb said:

This op sounds nice. 

The problem is that it's an example of spiritual fluff masquerading as truth and substance when it is neither. 

Paul was writing Timothy about the standards that should apply to deacons or elders in a congregation. Paul is not writing to Timothy about standards that apply to all Christians everywhere in all circumstances. 

1 Timothy 3:1-10
"It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.  An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,  not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.  He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity  (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?),  and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil.  And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.  Deacons likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,  but holding to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience.  These men must also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons if they are beyond reproach."

Deacons must be holding to the mystery of faith.... So right out of the gate, from the very first words of this op we see that scripture has been abused to make it say things it does not say. Then it was insinuated I should be satisfied with this abuse and my question was answered in the light of truth. There is NEVER any truth or light of truth in the abuse of scripture or the abuse of the members of the body.  

I will return to address my own inquiries in fuller detail but the "eyes of your heart" is a metaphor. Physical hearts do not have physical eyes. The Bible speaks of our heart in various or diverse ways but it is always about the thinking, affect, choices, and motives of the individual and not the organ that pumps blood. Likewise, the scriptures - especially the gospels - speak of the eyes and people's ability to "see" or "have eyes" and any one of those passages would have been an excellent directly related response to my inquiry. A simple search of the word "conscience" would readily show how Paul and Peter themselves appealed to good or clear consciences. They were apostles. Paul held out that same standard to deacons, requiring they have clear consciences. Lastly, for now, the mystery of faith is Christ; Christ crucified and resurrected, the stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles but a reality for those who believe. It is no longer a mystery to is!!!! To us this mystery has been revealed. Timothy knew this. 

You, Not me, apparently do not. 

You were asked. 

My regrets, but I do not have a length period of time to cover the many, many problems in this op in one feel post but I will return to point out other problems because ALL of us should recognize the kind of dross in this op for what it is and demand more of Not me - not because the author is a bad person but because we are to encourage one another on toward maturity and not tolerate falsehood posing as the light of truth. I do not yet know whether you, Not me, can tolerate what I am posting, whether or not you have the willingness, the eyes of your heart open to learn the truth of 1 Timothy 3, Ephesians 1:18, Psalm 34:8 or any of the other scriptures that were abused. What I do know is an opportunity to do this differently was provided and ignored. So when I have time I will return with further examination of the scriptures but for now anyone and everyone can examine the 1 Tim. 3 text for themselves and see the proof-texting of  half a verse was bad form and not truth. 

The scriptures' use of "eyes" and "heart" and "conscience" and even "taste" can be examined in the interim because Paul was a converted Jew writing to a converted Jew using sources with which they were both familiar. That source - God's own word - should not be ignored. 

Or abused. 

Thank you for putting forth out of your relationship with Christ, may you experience the truths you see in scripture…

In the Beloved, Not me