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Proverbs 27:15-16 A continual dripping on a very rainy day and a contentious woman are the same. Whoever restrains her restrains the wind, and grasps oil in his right hand.

[Smalcald]

Maybe I am not following the conversation correctly, but sinners and sin obviously existed before Christ was born.

"They will be judged on their belief in God, the Father (so Caiphis and Herod are going to be damned, but not the entire Jewish race). "

Once again maybe I am not catching something here, but only faith in Christ produces salvation. Many many unsaved people believe in God or a conception of God, including many unsaved Jews. There is no side-door, faith in Christ is the only way to salvation. So maybe Caiphis and Herod both came to faith in Christ? We don

[Guest shiloh357]

AGAIN, I said it was only a theory of mine. Only God know for sure

No, we know for sure as well. There is no other Name under heaven whereby we must be saved other than the Name of Jesus. ALL JEWS will go to Hell who have not accepted Jesus, no exceptions.

The gospel of Jesus Christ provides the ONLY way for man to come to salvation.

Jesus was very clear. NO man cometh to the Father but by me. That means Jews as well. You need to read your Bible instead of relying on unbiblical "theories."

[Kabowd]

I am honest in all way, Shiloh, why always the assults? You think I don't understand him, wow, I apologize, to you, HaShem.  47 years of relationship and still others say I dont' know you at all.

I never said that he wouldn't but that it wasn't the whole reason for his sacrifice. His love is unbounding, there is no way that in our human minds we can comprehend it, let alone explain it. But no one here is seeing that so I will just drop it and let you all live in the world you have created for yourselves. A world of half truths because most of you only use a small percentage of the word of G-d.

Maybe y'all when you have nothing else to do , should study up on the book called Hebrews. You may see what I am talking about.

Knock it off with the persecution complex Zayit, I did not say you are dishonest. My point was that if you truly know the Character of God that the statement that you say is "unbiblical" is actually in keeping with God's revelation of Himself.

You claim it is "unbiblical" but don't demonstrate why it is ubiblical.

Your problem is that you open a can worms, and create an environment where you know people will disagree with you, and then treat that disagreement as an attack. You pick fights and then whine you get some heat from it.

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Wow! This is exactly right, thank you for saying it shiloh. This needs to stop. She repeatedly baits ppl into an argument and then complains when it backfires on her. I'm tired of it.

I am honest in all ways, Shiloh, why always the assults?

Zayit, you get "assaults" because you ask for them. Here's just a couple of statements you made in this thread alone:

You can say that with a straight face and clear conscience?

Why Yeshua shed his blood doesn't matter? Giving a made up, supposed reason is OK? You don't need scripture to back up your beliefs?

I never said it was a doctrinal statement but this just proves how little you know about your Savior.

It's okay for you to insult and question other ppl's relationship and knowledge of the Savior but they can't question yours?

And here's another gem from you:

But no one here is seeing that so I will just drop it and let you all live in the world you have created for yourselves. A world of half truths because most of you only use a small percentage of the word of G-d.

Riiiight. You can spew this kind of condescending attitude all over the board and then whine and complain when it comes right back? I have seen you do this to numerous ppl on the boards, then you get upset, announce you're leaving and then you're back in a couple of days with the same attitude, showing zero repentance. Ever heard of reaping what you sow? I agree with shiloh whole-heartedly, you have a persecution complex wrapped up in a bitter and contensious spirit. Until you deal with your pride and insecurity you can expect alot of the same type of responses to your various "questions" and "discussions".

Ciao.

[Smalcald]

Maybe I am not following the conversation correctly, but sinners and sin obviously existed before Christ was born.

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Only when he was born into this sinful world. Read John 1:1-5. Jesus existed before the begining of the World.

"They will be judged on their belief in God, the Father (so Caiphis and Herod are going to be damned, but not the entire Jewish race). "

Once again maybe I am not catching something here, but only faith in Christ produces salvation.

[Kabowd]

So...

Do all the born-again Christians here on this site thing all the Jews that were gassed by the Nazis are damned to Hell just because they were Jews??

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Read John 3:16-17. Neither Christ (nor Christians) came to condemn anyone. Those who are without Christ and do not accept Him are condemned already...no matter what their lineage may be.

[Guest shiloh357]

So...

Do all the born-again Christians here on this site think all the Jews that were gassed by the Nazis are damned to Hell just because they were Jews??

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Phil, there is only ONE way into heaven and that is through Jesus Christ, no exceptions, even for Jews. Paul teaches that all men everywhere are shut up in sin, and there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile in that respect.

They did not go to hell for being Jews. They went to hell because they did not know the Messiah. Jesus said, "No man comes to the Father but by me." He is the only way to God. There is no separate plan for anyone else. It is sad that they had to lose their lives on earth and for all eternity, but we must base our theology on what Scripture says, and not upon what we think the ideal should be.

[EricH]

So...

Do all the born-again Christians here on this site think all the Jews that were gassed by the Nazis are damned to Hell just because they were Jews??

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Phil, there is only ONE way into heaven and that is through Jesus Christ, no exceptions, even for Jews. Paul teaches that all men everywhere are shut up in sin, and there is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile in that respect.

They did not go to hell for being Jews. They went to hell because they did not know the Messiah. Jesus said, "No man comes to the Father but by me." He is the only way to God. There is no separate plan for anyone else. It is sad that they had to lose their lives on earth and for all eternity, but we must base our theology on what Scripture says, and not upon what we think the ideal should be.

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Amen

[Gerioke]

So... people that God loved , like King David, Abraham, Moses and so on are in eternal damnation?

[mrs]

So... people that God loved , like King David, Abraham, Moses and so on are in eternal damnation?

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What does it say? The Bible says by faith. Be it Moses, Rahab, Ruth or David, they believed by faith so they were saved.