What if others will be in heaven?

[Kelly2363]

4 hours ago, Josheb said:

Last question, Kelly. Do you know why I have bothered to trade posts with you the last half-dozen times? Can you guess? Before answering, let me encourage you to remember Whose you are and who your are, Whose I am and who I am. 

 

I cannot tell you who I am outside of natural things that are ordinary to all men - because apart from seeing myself in Christ by seeing Christ I can only see a man who was found in a prison cell wretched in sin and perishing without the Father. That man is dead so I do not look for that which was removed by the power of the Holy Spirit. 

[Arrabon]

7 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

How can I disagree I still don't know what He's talking about? 

You aren't hearing what I said about love.

Love is the kindness we have to uplift a brother no matter if we understand or not.

All things are done in love. 1st Cor.13:1-8, 

1 Corinthians 13

1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails.

[Kelly2363]

4 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Do you know, beginning with yourself, why this happened?

 

Choose your own words Josh. 

[Kelly2363]

18 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Not an answer to my question. 

Can you see how no matter what I post or how I post it does not matter? Nix that. Let's stick the last question: Can you guess why I have posted the way I have these last half-dozen or so posts? (hint: start with yourself, not me) 

(and it's okay to answer "no, I don't know why...")

 

Choose your own words Josh. I have chosen mine and they are all to my account whether unto condemnation or else commendation. I never flinch either way. But choose well because this OP is likely to be locked unless you do choose well.

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[Your closest friendnt]

@Kelly2363

There was something in one of your replies to me that I did not bring it to your attention, perhaps on a later time. 

[Kelly2363]

1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Kelly2363

There was something in one of your replies to me that I did not bring it to your attention, perhaps on a later time. 

 

You can bring it now, brother, if that will serve your needs or mine. 

[Kelly2363]

3 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Occam's Razor. 

I do this because I can. I can entice you to do what you do because that is what you do. I can entice you to do what you do because there's a vulnerability by which this happens. I could not do this with George, or Alive, or Justin, or ycf, or SObG, or most others posters because 1) they're not vulnerable and 2) they'd do something much different about it. I was able to do this simply because I can. 

James 1:14
"But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust."

Luke 6:44
"For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush."

It is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks and the heart is deceitful above all else . I could not have gotten the fruit out of you that I got if you weren't that kind of "tree." 

So I hope you'll forgive me for exploiting the occasion but the moment I got dross instead of a plain and immediate unqualified agreement where we could have easily had it the opportunity was there to be had. If you can lay hold of that within you that makes you vulnerable to these kinds of exchange you won't bait yourself (and I won't have anything to exploit). 
 

 

 

Seriously: It was a very simple matter that could have edified everyone. You're an adherent of total depravity so there is no reason for not responding with one word ("Amen!"). The power and opportunity availed itself and was ignored in favor of a lot of off-topic, unnecessary, judgmental content. 

I don't think you are the head of your household, Kelly. 

But I would like you to be so. 

We'll all have a lot less conflict. Start with yourself. You're free to post anything you like........

1 Corinthians 10:23
"All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify." 

 

I meant what I said: scripture instructs us not to return evil for evil (or reciprocate in kind) so I hope I'll be forgiven for visiting your own kind of content upon you to make the point. Go back to the post on the strict Calvinist and read through what happened. Two others here have shared with you the challenges they've faced trading posts with you. (Rom. 8:28) It didn't happen without purpose. 

 

That is an astonishing admission. 

[Your closest friendnt]

17 minutes ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

You can bring it now, brother, if that will serve your needs or mine. 

In one of your replies you mention something about the doctrine of another chance.

I do not remember the words correctly and I should fill in the blanks why you had to say that. 

It was in relation to what the OP had said, that it was not fair for a lot of people who lead a very pious life and they are devoted to charity and yet they died without having the given the opportunity to have their sins put under the blood of Jesus Christ. 

And then the suggestion is made that Jesus would be the first one to protest and run to their side...and find them blameless to the notion that they have not believed and even if they were in the narrow path all their life, still they have not believed that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins..

But this is not all of it...

Jesus Christ cannot find faith in him after his death on the Cross but also he cannot find that they refused to believe in him...

What about that ....because this is what the OP had in his reasoning...

Because some are saying that Jesus Christ will give them a part in Hell because Jesus Christ cannot find faith in them. 

And for the same reasoning Amigo suggested why not Jesus Christ does the same thing and because he cannot find the denial in him in them for that matter to sent them to Heaven...

 

[Kelly2363]

19 minutes ago, Josheb said:

I do this because I can. I can entice you to do what you do because that is what you do. I can entice you to do what you do because there's a vulnerability by which this happens. I could not do this with George, or Alive, or Justin, or ycf, or SObG, or most others posters because 1) they're not vulnerable and 2) they'd do something much different about it. I was able to do this simply because I can. 

 

What I do Josh is so clearly expressed even in this OP that to say that you can entice me to do it is simply beyond understanding. So I have to believe that you are telling me that I am in some way in error in everything - or at least in many things - be that my attitude - or my lack of pointed responses - or even my detailed responses - are all my vulnerability? 

And you have said that I am not the head of my own house - which meaning is my wife and my children! Can that be reasonable or purposeful other than because you can do it?

Well Josh I walk on a ravine in my calling and so whilst I cannot fathom being fearful of any test - neither can I say to being in any way blessed by your frank admission that your latter posts, and some before that going back to last year when I posted as Rhomphaeam - when you did the same thing - can be fruitful or in the will of the Lord. Only the Lord can tell me that. If He does then I will silently endure it. 

May the Lord bless you Josh and uphold you in all good things in Him. 

[Kelly2363]

33 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In one of your replies you mention something about the doctrine of another chance.

I do not remember the words correctly and I should fill in the blanks why you had to say that. 

It was in relation to what the OP had said, that it was not fair for a lot of people who lead a very pious life and they are devoted to charity and yet they died without having the given the opportunity to have their sins put under the blood of Jesus Christ. 

And then the suggestion is made that Jesus would be the first one to protest and run to their side...and find them blameless to the notion that they have not believed and even if they were in the narrow path all their life, still they have not believed that Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of their sins..

But this is not all of it...

Jesus Christ cannot find faith in him after his death on the Cross but also he cannot find that they refused to believe in him...

What about that ....because this is what the OP had in his reasoning...

Because some are saying that Jesus Christ will give them a part in Hell because Jesus Christ cannot find faith in them. 

And for the same reasoning Amigo suggested why not Jesus Christ does the same thing and because he cannot find the denial in him in them for that matter to sent them to Heaven...

 

 

I believe that page eight post eight was the comment you were referring to, brother.

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As to @Josheb and his latter comment about this topic being better served in the Soteriology forum then I would agree if I were answering your claim to second chance salvation. - however, I can see that whilst your comment that directed these exchanges was a matter of express salvation - it is the broader reality that was inferred in the OP original comment that is likely better answered by also seeing that it was a question of mistaken salvation because it was speculatively expressed. Your own comment is not a speculation. It is an emphatic claim - by which I mean your point a) comment.

 

You will have to explain what you are saying beyond that.