Replacement Theology

[JesusisGod2]

I dont really believe in "replacement theology" God has not replaced the Jews by offering salvation to the gentiles.

salvation has always been and always will be based upon belief in God " and Abraham believed God and it was counted as righteousness." the only thing that has changed is the sacrifice" for without the shedding of blood there is no redemption for sin" Jesus was sacrificed and paid the penalty once and for all.

We have been grafted into branch of the Jews ( see Romans 11:17-24). so God has not replaced the Jews but has welcomed the gentiles into His rest as well. He said to Abraham "I will make you the father of many nations" so Abraham is our father as well. the true children of Abraham are those who believe in God and His salvation.

I will say one thing, and that is this is a tough subject, and I know I am not the best at words, but Romans 11 is pretty good on this matter and a good cross reference study in prayer is whats in order here. I can tell you are a man

[wordsower]

God-man,

I agree with you totally. What I have here is someone who is taught that all of us are the same and Abraham's decendants are the Jews and us and we are all one in the same and that God will come true on His promises for all of us. I am quite frustrated with this individual, we have gone over Romans 11 and Isaiah and lots and lots of scripture.

I see that this person is decieved and I can even see how he believes this nonsense, I just do not know how to get through to him. He uses Ez. 47:21-23 to show that anyone and everyone is spiritual Israel if they follow Christ.

Any help...anybody?

[JesusisGod2]

hey wvkeith I didnt finish my reply It should read I do believe you are a man of God and God will lead us in all truth Iaccidently pushed add reply May God bless you and yours

[Ovedya]

God-man,

I agree with you totally. What I have here is someone who is taught that all of us are the same and Abraham's decendants are the Jews and us and we are all one in the same and that God will come true on His promises for all of us. I am quite frustrated with this individual, we have gone over Romans 11 and Isaiah and lots and lots of scripture.

I see that this person is decieved and I can even see how he believes this nonsense, I just do not know how to get through to him. He uses Ez. 47:21-23 to show that anyone and everyone is spiritual Israel if they follow Christ.

Any help...anybody?

Sorry, but I have to disagree. The church has not replaced Israel at all. Rather, the church has become grafted into Israel. It's really very simple.

Abraham was two things. First, he was the first Hebrew, the literal and spiritual father of all the children of Israel, the Jews. Second, Abraham was the father of faith because of his believing God's promise to him (Gen. 15:6; Rom. 4:3, 22; Gal. 3:6; James 2:23). Abraham's believing God was a matter of faith (Heb. 11:17-19). Therefore, He is the father of faith.

Now, believing into Christ is absolutely a matter faith, no one doubts that for a second. Because believing into Christ is a matter of faith, all the promises given to Abraham have become ours, because Abraham is the father of faith. Consider Romans 4:14. Paul wrote that Abraham is the father of the circumcision and those who walk by faith in uncircumcision. Those of the uncricumcision are the Gentile believers. Romans 4 is clear that the believing Jew and the beliving Gentile are on, not separate and neither superior because one has the law and the other does not, or that one disobeyed God while the other did not.

So you see, the idea that the Christian church has replaced Israel is absolutely false. The promise given to Abraham that his seed would cover the earth and be more numerous than the stars in the heavens is fulfilled in the church.

[JesusisGod2]

Hey God-man

very good answer I was trying to say the same thing but am not real good with words on paper so to speak. What a blessing that we can now partake of the promises with Abraham not apart from him. Salvation is of the Jews and as you say God does not break His promises.

very well put.

[wordsower]

God-man,

I believeas you do, I'm just having a hard time conveying the truth to this guy. See, he feels that since the promise of the seed is fulfilled in the church, that Israel is no longer separate and that is where my problem lies with him. I have identified several prophesies that have been fulfilled lately regarding Israel and he says these happened centuries ago.

Tell me, when Romans says that all Israel will be saved, what exactly does that mean? My thought is that it means all Israel that is left and recognizes Christ.

[Ovedya]

I think the issue that throws some into confusion is whether those Jews that reject Christ in favor of keeping the law will be judged by God and suffer the wrath at the judgment seat of Christ. The answer is obviously yes, since salvation is based upon the blood of Christ, which established a new covenant (Luke 22:20; Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:8; 2 Cor. 3:6).

The Bible is clear that Christ's blood established a new covenant with the house of Israel and Judah. In order to partake of the new covenant, therefore, the Jew must believe into Christ (John 3:18). Just as Abraham believed God and took part in the first covenant. And as Moses and the children of Israel took part in the covenant God made with Israel in Exo. 24.

So how is the lawkeeping/ unbelieving Jew judged? He is judged by the same law that he keeps (Rom. 2:12). And as we know, the law is insufficient to meet God's righteous requirement.

[Ovedya]

God-man,

I believeas you do, I'm just having a hard time conveying the truth to this guy. See, he feels that since the promise of the seed is fulfilled in the church, that Israel is no longer separate and that is where my problem lies with him. I have identified several prophesies that have been fulfilled lately regarding Israel and he says these happened centuries ago.

Tell me, when Romans says that all Israel will be saved, what exactly does that mean? My thought is that it means all Israel that is left and recognizes Christ.

Yes. Technically those that are of Israel that believe into Christ as the Messiah are still Israel; even though in the Body there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. Will God judge all of Israel because the Pharisees had Jesus killed, or will God judge those false shepherds? The Bible is clear that God will redeem Israel and judge those who rejected God and mislead God's people. God redeemed Israel from so many others, yet he did not redeem those who went against Him. In the end God will justify those Jews who believed into the new covenant.

[Guest Shilo]

Praise the Lord that there are people out there that believe that the church has not replaced Israel....Glory, Glory, Glory....Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty.......

God always keeps His promises and He will never leave Israel....just like He will never forsake us.....a promise is a promise.....Has any one seen the flood since the last one.....a promise is a promise

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings WVKeith,

Good to see you "reasoning out" what the scriptures say. The one SURE thing about the Jews is that Jesus WAS ONE! AND He came to save His people from their sins. He came to the "lost sheep of Israel". However, they rejected Him. As we can see in Romans though, Jesus still loves them and their hearts have only temporarily been hardened. He has passed the burden of spreading the Gospel to the Gentiles in this the "church age", and it will be up to them to minister that Gospel to the Jews, and when the time is right, God will soften their heart to receive it.

Now one other issue that keeps coming up is the idea that Christians are grafted into the Jews. This couldn't be further from the truth. The confusion lies in understanding what the "Olive Tree" in Romans represents. It represents the "Kingdom of God". The Kingdom of God was TAKEN FROM the Jews and given to the gentiles. In other words they were broken off from the Olive Tree that the Gentiles could be grafted in. In Ephesians, it speaks of the Gentiles being "drawn nigh" to the Commonwealth of Israel. The picture developed in Eph 1-3 is of Christ building a "habitation wherein God shall dwell through His Holy Spirit" (Eph 2:22) and both Jew and Gentile becoming ONE IN CHRIST - In the Kingdom of God, so we become "kin" in the spirit of Christ, NOT in the spirit of Jacob or Israel.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie