Children, Wife Marriage Marry and Persons

[mikhailjb7]

Children, Wife Marriage Marry and Pesons.

what do all these words have in common with many if not all english translations?

They do not exist and so therefore are bordering if not an outright manipulation of the initial text in Hebrew.

Children in the Torah is always actually tranlated sons as Hebrew is a gender language so a Neuter does not exist in the original.

Wife is Woman as is marry and marriage.

examples:

she bacame his wife - she became his woman ....

She was married - she became the woman of ...

Tell the children of Yisrael - Tell the sons of Yisrael

these besides the coruuption and redefinition of many words of the english language has been gradual but has actually resulteded in rewriting the meanings of the scriptures in our modern understanding.

Persons is the worst as it is translated from the word nefesh meaning soul so quite literally if a translator was consistant could result in a cow or animal being a a person

What are your thoughts?

Shalom,

Mikhail ben Gino

[Guest shiloh357]

What is your point?

[Leonard]

Agreed; there is (or should be) a difference between 'translating' and preaching!

[mikhailjb7]

What is your point?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi,

my point is that corrupting albeit subltle ones will in due course have us arrive off course from our intended destination.

That is a Trust in Elohim that is not what was intented my our Father or Messiah Yeshua.

The other point is that the corrption of the english language and their subsequent use in our english translations actually lends itself to egalitarianism by replacing and minimising the distinct gender inferences of the scriptures by introducing neuter gender language when the original text demands a gender inference.

As has been observed in the past the best desceptions are so subtle and appear so benign that the the masses would never guess that poison that it can produce in the course of a generatio or 3.

Shalom,

Mikhail ben Gino

[RGR]

So I guess this is leading to "The NIV, NASB, NLT, NKVJ, etc." are evil and we should all read the KJV?

[Guest shiloh357]

So I guess this is leading to "The NIV, NASB, NLT, NKVJ, etc." are evil and we should all read the KJV?  

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't think that is necessarily the direction he is going. Notice the subject matter he chose to illustrate this point.

[mikhailjb7]

So I guess this is leading to "The NIV, NASB, NLT, NKVJ, etc." are evil and we should all read the KJV?

[nebula]

Children in the Torah is always actually tranlated sons as Hebrew is a gender language so a Neuter does not exist in the original.

Wife is Woman as is marry and marriage.

examples:

she bacame his wife - she became his woman ....

She was married - she became the woman of ...

Tell the children of Yisrael - Tell the sons of Yisrael

these besides the coruuption and redefinition of many words of the english language has been gradual but has actually resulteded in rewriting the meanings of the scriptures in our modern understanding.

Changes like this are an example of translating the meaning rather than the actual words.

I mean, if we translated Spanish literally, we'd write: "To you I love" or "I bought a car red."

When translatin a language, you need to not only translate the words but also translate the meaning, or the audience won't understand what you are saying.

Translations like the one you mentioned are important to be aware of in certain instances of debate (i.e. what is meant by "the virgin shall conceive..."), but overall I don't think corrupt the meaning.

[Guest shiloh357]

these besides the coruuption and redefinition of many words of the english language has been gradual but has actually resulteded in rewriting the meanings of the scriptures in our modern understanding.

Can you cite concrete examples?

[mikhailjb7]

these besides the coruuption and redefinition of many words of the english language has been gradual but has actually resulteded in rewriting the meanings of the scriptures in our modern understanding.

Can you cite concrete examples?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi Shiloh,

if you are asking this of me I thought I did in my original post.

Children this is gender neutral term that makes one think that it is addressing neither a male not a female specifically but in the original text it is just about always ben or son(s) of Israel.

Some would argue that this is minor but with egalitarianism currently eroding and destroying the Patriachal teaching of scripture it is important if it was not so sublte the generations before us would have noticed it but it was so smal and subtle that over the last century things that the go on in congregations today most of the founding fathers of moderning pentecostal congregations would genuineley be shocked, but then some of them prophesied of the worldy anything goes church but I digress to much.

Translations have always been a good way of gradually manipulating the scriptures by justifying a few degress of change but as any captain will tell you a few degres of change can actually produce a ship wreck.

Shalom,

Mikhail ben Gino