Radiometric Dating and Creation Science

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Source: Dating of Rocks and Fossils Using Geologic Methods

I don't think many Christians under stand that all God creates is done with and through laws.  Those laws don't change and just as truth in the Word is found so is the truth in His works.  Everyone complains because they want science to be perfect even though we can't agree on the Word yet.   d

[David1701]

13 hours ago, teddyv said:

The foundation of what we believe is that Christ died and was resurrected. People can and have believed this without the Bible. You can believe this without the OT or adherence to non-salvific doctrine like YEC.

Where does the teaching come from, that Christ shed his blood (vitally important), died on the cross and rose from the dead?  It comes from the Bible.  Certainly, people have heard this preached, without having read the Bible themselves, and some people have had dreams, in which these truths have been revealed to them; but, they are later confirmed, by the Bible.

The OT provides the necessary basis for the cross and resurrection.  Yes, you can believe in them, without having read the OT (I did); but, the OT still contains the foundational truths (e.g. the creation, the fall, the reason why people and animals die, the origin of sin and suffering, the need for the shedding of blood, the coming Messiah, etc.).

How did Jesus answer the devil's temptations, in the wilderness?  "It is written...".  This of absolutely vital importance and should not be reduced to just another source of truth.  It is the plumb-line, by which all other sources are tested.

[David1701]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I don't think many Christians under stand that all God creates is done with and through laws.  Those laws don't change and just as truth in the Word is found so is the truth in His works.  Everyone complains because they want science to be perfect even though we can't agree on the Word yet.   d

So, you don't believe in miracles?  Miracles do not operate by laws; in fact, by definition, they run contrary to natural laws, that's why they're called "miracles".

[RV_Wizard]

20 minutes ago, David1701 said:

The OT provides the necessary basis for the cross and resurrection.  Yes, you can believe in them, without having read the OT (I did); but, the OT still contains the foundational truths (e.g. the creation, the fall, the reason why people and animals die, the origin of sin and suffering, the need for the shedding of blood, the coming Messiah, etc.).

Exactly.  The Bible is very consistent with certain themes.

Through one man, Adam, sin and death came into the world and the creation was cursed.  Through one man, Noah, humanity was preserved and the earth was re-populated.  Through one man, Jesus, salvation was offered to the entire world.  If you denigrate the importance of Adam and Noah, you also denigrate the importance of Christ.

However, a recent flood only a few thousand years ago disproves claims of an old earth, so they will torture and misquote the Word to find justification for what they choose to believe.

[RV_Wizard]

12 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Some Christians are enlightened, some are not.  That's why I studied multiple theologians to find the truth.  I didn't come to this understanding on my own.

I studied the Bible, not theologians.  I was raised to believe in an old earth, but I could never find any justification of it in the Bible.  What I found was confirmation of Genesis throughout the old and new testaments.

[RV_Wizard]

9 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Snoke, who takes the Bible very seriously, presents evidence, which I'll leave to the reader of his book -- you need to read this for yourself -- that the Bible is consistent with the flood being local, not world-wide. He also thinks that there is no scientific evidence for a world-wide flood.  I agree with this review.
 

There is lots of scientific evidence, but people offer alternative explanations; ie marine fossils on mountain peaks, most civilizations recording a man on a raft saving animals, deep caverns cut through stone apparently by tiny rivers without enough force or weight to carve anything.  That evidence is rejected because it is contrary to the chosen point of view that the world was NOT created as God said He did it.  Remember, Exodus 20:11 WAS the finger of God, not man.

Again, looking at a map of the Middle East, perhaps you can show me the boundaries that contained this great local flood.  I see an easy run-off to the sea both to the north and the south.  Thus, the only way the water could rise further was if the sea level increased.  A local flood would be a greater miracle than a global one.

[AandW_Rootbeer]

15 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

(Psalms 104:1)  Bless the LORD, O my soul! O LORD my God, you are very great! You are clothed with splendor and majesty,

(Psalms 104:2)  covering yourself with light as with a garment, stretching out the heavens like a tent.

(Psalms 104:3)  He lays the beams of his chambers on the waters; he makes the clouds his chariot; he rides on the wings of the wind;

(Psalms 104:4)  he makes his messengers winds, his ministers a flaming fire.

(Psalms 104:5)  He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved.

(Psalms 104:6)  You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood above the mountains.

(Psalms 104:7)  At your rebuke they fled; at the sound of your thunder they took to flight.

(Psalms 104:8)  The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place that you appointed for them.

(Psalms 104:9)  You set a boundary that they may not pass, so that they might not again cover the earth.  [ESV]

One thing YEC and Noah's Global Flood believer's have in common is the meaning of the word ארץ [Eretz] which they translate it to mean Earth.  In Hebrew, the word ארץ [Eretz] means Land.  It is perhaps surprising that ארץ is so high on the list - in English, for example, the word LAND only comes in at position 567!  But a language is the face of a culture, and Hebrew reflects Jewish culture.  The frequent use of the word ארץ says a lot about how important the concept of the Land is to Jews.

The Old Testament was written by Jews for Jews.  They would understand the word ארץ [Eretz] means Land.  That puts a whole new perspective on Genesis 1-9.  So your understanding of the ancient Hebrew seems to be lacking.

I don't believe in a 6,000 year old planet.   So, my answer before is still the same as now.

[David1701]

24 minutes ago, AandW_Rootbeer said:

I don't believe in a 6,000 year old planet.   So, my answer before is still the same as now.

How many generations were there, according to the Bible, from Adam to Christ?

What kind of time frame would this necessitate?

How many days can you add to that, according to the Bible, to go right back to the very beginning of creation?

[AandW_Rootbeer]

9 minutes ago, David1701 said:

How many generations were there, according to the Bible, from Adam to Christ?

What kind of time frame would this necessitate?

How many days can you add to that, according to the Bible, to go right back to the very beginning of creation?

The Lineage of man is not the same time frame as the lineage of the Earth itself.

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, David1701 said:

So, you don't believe in miracles?  Miracles do not operate by laws; in fact, by definition, they run contrary to natural laws, that's why they're called "miracles".

Hi David,

So, I DON'T believe in miracles? REALLY?  Did you really ask me that question?  And in the negative at that?  Is that where the spirit led you?  Feels...uncouth,  to me anyhow.

Here is a copy of the post you made that reply to

If you I don't think many Christians under stand that all God creates is done with and through laws.  Those laws don't change and just as truth in the Word is found so is the truth in His works.  Everyone complains because they want science to be perfect even though we can't agree on the Word yet.   d


I don't know.  Are miracles creations or manifestations?  We do have that Gen 2:2 verse.  Just thought I would clear up my end.   d