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No, all of the things I listed are called "evidence". There is no faith involved.

However, even with this evidence, I can't be certain he existed - I can only be sure enough that it would be perverse not to give the assent of my mind to the idea that he did exist. In other words, my belief is tentative:

- I'm open to evidence that he didn't exist

- I'm sure enough he did to consider is a fact (I would consider it perverse to believe he didn't exist)

- I'm not 100% sure

EVEN if I'd met the guy and shook his hand, I wouldn't be 100% sure he existed. I would of course be surer than I am now, but it would still be possible that it'd been a hallucination - or that I was created 2 seconds ago with the memory of meeting him intact.

In other words, I am happy to admit that almost all my beliefs about the outside world and history are tentative, and not 100%. I'm am sure enough that Darwin existed that I would call it a fact (meaning that it would be perverse not to give the tentative assent of the mind to it), but not 100% sure.

In fact, there are very few things I can be 100% certain of, I could count them on the fingers of one hand.

So what have we learnt about my belief in Darwin so far:

- The belief is tentative and open to disproof

- I'm not 100% sure he existed

- I base my tentative belief on evidence

- I believe his existence to be a "fact"

- I define a "fact" as "something that it would be perverse not to give the tentative assent of the mind to"

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Existentialist much?

I submit that you do not exist. I submit that atheism does not exist. I submit that existence does not exist.

The natural consequence of existentialism is nihilism.

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Smiles,

I pray for that too, I won't have to spend so long on bulletin boards that way :)

Kidding. Seriously though, I do hope it happens!

Nik

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Well Nik if thats the case, instead of just looking at evidence against the Bible start looking for evidence that supports it.If you do want God to show Himself to you, you need to be actively searching for Him as well.


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Tim!

Cmon mate, don't be like that, I'm not trying to prejudge you (although I reckon Foglight is :) )

Seriously, you seem a reasonable person, and they're few and far between - I wasn't trying to have a dig at you, seriously.

It's just that I have had similar discussions in the past, and it usually turns out that the point is about how everyone has faith, and it's just that they're holding the bible up to a higher standard of evidence than any other historical event. But that doesn't mean I'm unhappy to continue, you're polite and you answer my actual points - so it's all good. Maybe you have something to say that noone else has said to me, a slant on it I've never heard, I'd really like to continue!

Obviously if you really really don't, then fair dos, but I did answer your points, and it seems fair that we continue don't you think?

Nik

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Fair enough then mate! We can continue since you clarified your intent :) Give some time to look over your last reply and I'll get back with you later- probably tomorrow.

Cheers!

Tim


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Ovedya,

I'm not an existentialist, or a nihilist. I believe in things, I just understand that it is possible I'm wrong in almost all cases, even if that possibility isn't very likely. It's called skepticism.

Smiles,

I'm in this thread arn't I? I started this thread didn't I? I want to continue this thread don't I? I'd say that actively looking for evidence.

Tim,

Cool, look forward to it!


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Smiles,

I'm in this thread arn't I? I started this thread didn't I? I want to continue this thread don't I? I'd say that actively looking for evidence.

Allrighty :)


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Ok, to get back on track then. Let me ask you this- what do you make of all the Biblical prophecies that came true ? Every single one ( without exception ) came to pass. Do you know the odds of that ? ( I have numbers if you are interested ).

Regarding all the prophesies, I could do a copy/paste, but I'd rather not- Here's a list of all the prophecies. If you've never read over them, I'd ask you do so with an open mind and ponder the probability of them all coming true. I know- you have to believe in the Bible before believing that they came true. Just something to look at if you've got time.

God bless,

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Joy,

I'm surprised, you seem to have changed the subject. I presume you are happy with all my previous answers then?

what do you make of all the Biblical prophecies that came true ?

I've never seen a single prophecy in the bible that was all at once specific, not open to interpretation, impossible to predict before time, and that provably came true. However, I am happy if you want to bring some up and I can talk to you about them.


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Joy,

I'm surprised, you seem to have changed the subject. I presume you are happy with all my previous answers then?

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No, actually it was kind of an afterthought- something for you to look over and think about whilst I work on my answers/questions regarding your last post; which I'm still looking over and thinking about. I'm in no hurry ( unless you are ? ) :noidea: I'll be getting back with you soon I hope- I should have stated that and put "in the mean time- have a go at this" in my last post...sorry mate :thumbsup:

Be blessed,

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Hmm, this one didn't appear on the forums for some reason, had to search for it, so I'm giving it a bump...!


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What's with all the threads disappearing? :rolleyes:

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