covenant Leviticus 16:16 debuncts the theory that the Old Covenant is different to the New Covenant. They are identical, its the individual who makes the promise to keep it that is different.

[steve morrow]

BUT  BY  EVERY  WORD  OF  GOD

2 CORINTHIANS 3:3  forasmuch as you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of  CHRIST ---ministered by us--- written not with ink but with the spirit of the --LIVING  GOD--  not in tables of stone but in fleshy tables of the heart

--3:4-- and such trust have we through  CHRIST  to  GOD WARD 

--3:5-- not  that we are sufficient of our selves to think anything as of our selves ---but our sufficiency is of  GOD--- 

--3:6-- who also hath made us ---able ministers of the new testament--- not of the letter --- but of the spirit --- for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life

--3:7-- but if the ministration of death written and engraven in stones --was glorious-- so that the children of israel could not stedfastly behold the face of moses for the glory of his countenance ---which glory was to be done away---

--3:8--how shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious 

--3:9-- for if the ministration of  condemnation be glory ---much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory---

--3:10-- for even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect ---by reason of the glory that excelleth---

--3:11-- for if that which ---is done away --was glorious-- much more that which remaineth is glorious---

 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth --THE FLESH--profiteth nothing-- the words that --I  SPEAK-- unto you they are spirit and they are life

2 CORINTHIANS  3:18  but we all with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of  THE  LORD  ---are changed into the same image from glory to glory even as by --THE  SPIRIT  OF  THE  LORD---

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

[adamjedgar]

5 hours ago, steve morrow said:

BUT  BY  EVERY  WORD  OF  GOD

2 CORINTHIANS 3:3  forasmuch as you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of  CHRIST ---ministered by us--- written not with ink but with the spirit of the --LIVING  GOD--  not in tables of stone but in fleshy tables of the heart

--3:4-- and such trust have we through  CHRIST  to  GOD WARD 

--3:5-- not  that we are sufficient of our selves to think anything as of our selves ---but our sufficiency is of  GOD--- 

--3:6-- who also hath made us ---able ministers of the new testament--- not of the letter --- but of the spirit --- for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life

--3:7-- but if the ministration of death written and engraven in stones --was glorious-- so that the children of israel could not stedfastly behold the face of moses for the glory of his countenance ---which glory was to be done away---

--3:8--how shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious 

--3:9-- for if the ministration of  condemnation be glory ---much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory---

--3:10-- for even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect ---by reason of the glory that excelleth---

--3:11-- for if that which ---is done away --was glorious-- much more that which remaineth is glorious---

 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth --THE FLESH--profiteth nothing-- the words that --I  SPEAK-- unto you they are spirit and they are life

2 CORINTHIANS  3:18  but we all with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of  THE  LORD  ---are changed into the same image from glory to glory even as by --THE  SPIRIT  OF  THE  LORD---

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

And that is the new covenant...the writing of His laws in our minds and on our hearts.

The law is very much in the second covenant.

Btw, let's not forget the first mention of the new covenant was hundreds of years before the Messiah came.

Edited December 8, 2021 by adamjedgar

[Psalm 47 five]

Jesus was born under the Law.  We have been born under Grace.  IMHO, there is a significant difference in the two covenants. 

Jesus' 3,5 year ministry was the first half of Daniel's 70th week in which He began to transition the Old Covenant into the New one (a better covenant):

• Heb 8:6  But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
• Heb 8:7   For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

And as the Olivet Discourse revealed, no longer would outward rituals under the Law, be enough to keep His commandments, but our hearts and minds must be turned towards Him:

• Matt 5:27   Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
• Matt 5:28   But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

What was the point of the Law?

• Gal 3:19   Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
• Gal 3:21   [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
• Gal 3:22   But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

After Messiah was cut off mid-week and the sacrifices ended forever, the Gospel of the Kingdom was preached exclusively to Israel for another 3.5 years, as promised.   (Joel's prophecy was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost, and the last days began right there):

• Acts 2:15   For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is [but] the third hour of the day.
• Acts 2:16   But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
• Acts 2:17   And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Later, commanded by God, Paul pronounced the end of Daniel's 70th week, giving the Gospel to the Gentiles instead (all the nations), thus marking the end of the transition of the Old Covenant into the New Covenant in His Blood:

• Acts 13:46   Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
• Acts 28:27   For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
• Acts 28:28   Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.

The Disciples, and the New Covenant churches, met on the first day of the week, Sunday, (according to Scripture) because all who have faith in Christ, have entered into His Eternal Rest, now, and will continue throughout the Millennial Reign.  

• Acts 20:7   And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
• 1Cor 16:2   Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

No longer would people do their own work for six days, then rest, as in the Old Covenant, but in this New Covenant, the Saints take their rest in His finished work on the Cross:

• John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost).

If one is keeping an Old Covenant 7th Day Sabbath, it can only be in the hope of gaining favor with God, or feeling good about doing something "for Him"; but we cannot "do" anything for Him;  He has done it all for us, therefore, we do not require a day of rest:

• Gal 4:4 ...God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
• (Gal 4:5   To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
• Gal 4:6   And because ye are sons...
• Gal 4:7   Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son;...
• Gal 4:9   But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
• Gal 4:10   Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
• Gal 4:11  I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Every single day is the Sabbath Day rest for the New Covenant Believer.  Our only "works" are those He planned for us to do beforehand, (we don't have our own works):

• Eph 2:10   For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Jesus boiled it down as to what are the commandments of God; nothing more is required?

• Matt 22:37   Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
• (att 22:38   This is the first and great commandment.
• Matt 22:39   And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
•   Matt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Edited December 8, 2021 by Psalm 47 five

[Wayne222]

On 12/2/2021 at 3:13 PM, adamjedgar said:

Proponents of the New Covenant doing away with the Old one state that the 10 commandments are no longer relevant to salvation. However, note something really interesting about the location of the Sanctuary in the Israelite camp that i think completely debuncts that entire theory...the tabernacle was located in the midst of their iniquities...in the heart of the camp of israelites!

Leviticus 16:16
New International Version
In this way he will make atonement for the Most Holy Place because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been. He is to do the same for the tent of meeting, which is among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
English Standard Version
Thus he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleannesses of the people of Israel and because of their transgressions, all their sins. And so he shall do for the tent of meeting, which dwells with them in the midst of their uncleannesses.
King James Bible
And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
One cannot say that the Sanctuary is only relevant to the Israelites, because:

Hebrews 4:14
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God

So in order for the saved to follow Jesus through the heavens, we must enter his rest...just like the children of Israel needed to do in order to enter Canaan (the promised land). Ascending into Heaven at the second coming of Jesus is our pathway to the promised land...the covenant that God made with Abraham is also relevant to us right through to the end of time...It is plainly obvious that the covenant God gave to Abraham did not end at the cross...the israelites had already enterred the promised land hundreds of years before the incarnation of Jesus...that is not what it was about. The true covenant dates back to that given to Adam and Eve...it was Jesus sacrifice on the cross. It has always been about salvation, restoring us to the glorious state before the fall of Adam and Eve. That is what entering Gods rest is all about!

 
Hebrews 4:1
1Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it.

The Israelites did not believe and did not obey Gods commandments...they grumbled as had been the case since they left Egypt. As a consequence, the were refused entry into Gods rest until the transgressing generation had all died out...they did not enter Gods rest, the promised land. The parallel of the Israelite promised land in Christian terms is the new heaven and new earth. Unless we have faith AND follow Gods commands, we cannot enter that rest.

 
Hebrews 4: 11
11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

Revelation 14:12 I think reinforces the statement in Hebrews:

12Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

So in answer to the question, does it mean I cannot be saved if I do not follow all of the commandments of God (including the Sabbath), my answer would be… unless all Christians follow the words of Jesus in the pericope adulterae, then no one cannot be saved.

John Chapter 8
3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

So in reading Jesus response to the adulterous women, there were 2 statements  he made in answer to the Pharisees question…conditions by which she could avoid further condemnation at the hands of the law. These were:

1.    Only one who is without sin can condemn (so condemnation is Gods right however, it is most certainly applicable to sinners)
2.    Go and sin no more

 
So how do we define what sin is? 

I John3:4
4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.
Psalm 38:1
New Living Translation
Sin whispers to the wicked, deep within their hearts. They have no fear of God at all.

So sin is found deep within the heart and it is in direct conflict with the covenant (the law of God) that was always in the midst of their iniquities…in the heart/middle of the camp of the Israelites.

Jeremiah in chapter 31prophesied concerning the new covenant:

31Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their fathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of the land of Egypt—
a covenant they broke,
though I was a husband to them,g”
declares the LORD.
33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the LORD.
I will put My law in their minds
and inscribe it on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
and they will be My people.
34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother,
saying, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.
For I will forgive their iniquities
and will remember their sins no more.”
 

Now i recognise that we are all judged according to our conscience, however, for those who would believe that intentionally not keeping ALL of the commandments of God (including the 4th instead choosing to worship on Sunday) may still go to heaven, i would argue no you cannot! Jesus rightousness did not apply to those israelites who did not obey Gods commands, Sauls crown was given to another and his soul lost because he did not obey Gods commandments...and since the apostle John tells us in the book of Revelation that the Saints are those who fulfill 2 requirements:

1. keep the commandments of God and

2. have the faith of Jesus

without BOTH of the above, we are also lost just like king Saul.

 

Why do you put a yoke on believers  ? The ten commandments are a yoke. We live by the spirit not the law. We are married to another. Namely Jesus Christ. If the law could save us Jesus did not need to die. We are sanctified by faith. 

[adamjedgar]

2 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

Why do you put a yoke on believers  ? The ten commandments are a yoke. We live by the spirit not the law. We are married to another. Namely Jesus Christ. If the law could save us Jesus did not need to die. We are sanctified by faith. 

no that is a complete misunderstanding of scripture. the Israelites were told that they had made the law a burden

 

The essence of the law and the gospel has always been the following:

1. sin is transgression of the law. We are not saved by the law...we have never been saved by the law! Part of the reason for this is because we are sinful and irrespective of this, the law is not a mechanism for salvation. It is a standard by which we should live!

2. We are saved by faith in Jesus. He paid the price for ALL sin (transgression of God's ETERNAL law) according the biblical truth that "the wages of sin is death".

 

Salvation was not a necessary process prior to the fall of man, Adam had not sinned when the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was shown to him. However, the consequences of any potential for sin were made very very clear to him!

 

What some modern christians are attempting to claim is that once Jesus paid that price, sin is immediately gone! This is a false and a non biblical claim. The wages of sin has always been, and always will be, death!

how do i find proof of this truth one might ask? the answer to this question is found before the fall of man in Genesis chapter 2

 

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

 

So here we have irrefutable proof that Gods law is eternally past...it existed before the fall of man in the garden of Eden and God made it very clear to Adam immediately after he was placed in the middle of the Garden, the wages of disobedience (transgression of the law...sin) was death!

Edited December 9, 2021 by adamjedgar

[Biblican]

On 12/2/2021 at 4:13 PM, adamjedgar said:

Proponents of the New Covenant doing away with the Old one state that the 10 commandments are no longer relevant to salvation. However, note something really interesting about the location of the Sanctuary in the Israelite camp that i think completely debuncts that entire theory...the tabernacle was located in the midst of their iniquities...in the heart of the camp of israelites!

Leviticus 16:16
New International Version
In this way he will make atonement for the Most Holy Place because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been. He is to do the same for the tent of meeting, which is among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
English Standard Version
Thus he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleannesses of the people of Israel and because of their transgressions, all their sins. And so he shall do for the tent of meeting, which dwells with them in the midst of their uncleannesses.
King James Bible
And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
One cannot say that the Sanctuary is only relevant to the Israelites, because:

Hebrews 4:14
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God

So in order for the saved to follow Jesus through the heavens, we must enter his rest...just like the children of Israel needed to do in order to enter Canaan (the promised land). Ascending into Heaven at the second coming of Jesus is our pathway to the promised land...the covenant that God made with Abraham is also relevant to us right through to the end of time...It is plainly obvious that the covenant God gave to Abraham did not end at the cross...the israelites had already enterred the promised land hundreds of years before the incarnation of Jesus...that is not what it was about. The true covenant dates back to that given to Adam and Eve...it was Jesus sacrifice on the cross. It has always been about salvation, restoring us to the glorious state before the fall of Adam and Eve. That is what entering Gods rest is all about!

 
Hebrews 4:1
1Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it.

The Israelites did not believe and did not obey Gods commandments...they grumbled as had been the case since they left Egypt. As a consequence, the were refused entry into Gods rest until the transgressing generation had all died out...they did not enter Gods rest, the promised land. The parallel of the Israelite promised land in Christian terms is the new heaven and new earth. Unless we have faith AND follow Gods commands, we cannot enter that rest.

 
Hebrews 4: 11
11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience.

Revelation 14:12 I think reinforces the statement in Hebrews:

12Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

So in answer to the question, does it mean I cannot be saved if I do not follow all of the commandments of God (including the Sabbath), my answer would be… unless all Christians follow the words of Jesus in the pericope adulterae, then no one cannot be saved.

John Chapter 8
3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

So in reading Jesus response to the adulterous women, there were 2 statements  he made in answer to the Pharisees question…conditions by which she could avoid further condemnation at the hands of the law. These were:

1.    Only one who is without sin can condemn (so condemnation is Gods right however, it is most certainly applicable to sinners)
2.    Go and sin no more

 
So how do we define what sin is? 

I John3:4
4Everyone who practices sin practices lawlessness as well. Indeed, sin is lawlessness.
Psalm 38:1
New Living Translation
Sin whispers to the wicked, deep within their hearts. They have no fear of God at all.

So sin is found deep within the heart and it is in direct conflict with the covenant (the law of God) that was always in the midst of their iniquities…in the heart/middle of the camp of the Israelites.

Jeremiah in chapter 31prophesied concerning the new covenant:

31Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their fathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of the land of Egypt—
a covenant they broke,
though I was a husband to them,g”
declares the LORD.
33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the LORD.
I will put My law in their minds
and inscribe it on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
and they will be My people.
34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother,
saying, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.
For I will forgive their iniquities
and will remember their sins no more.”
 

Now i recognise that we are all judged according to our conscience, however, for those who would believe that intentionally not keeping ALL of the commandments of God (including the 4th instead choosing to worship on Sunday) may still go to heaven, i would argue no you cannot! Jesus rightousness did not apply to those israelites who did not obey Gods commands, Sauls crown was given to another and his soul lost because he did not obey Gods commandments...and since the apostle John tells us in the book of Revelation that the Saints are those who fulfill 2 requirements:

1. keep the commandments of God and

2. have the faith of Jesus

without BOTH of the above, we are also lost just like king Saul.

 

No human has ever been able to keep God's commandments perfectly only Jesus and He imparts HIs righteousness to us. We are saved by what He did for us not our own ability. When God gave the commandments to Moses He also gave Him the plan for the tabernacle because He knew His people would not be able to keep His word. Before Moses even had a chance to deliver the first set of commandments the Israelites had already broken the first one by worshipping the golden calf. Moses broke the tablets because if you break one commandment you break them all. They built the tabernacle because those sacrifices enabled them to receive forgiveness when they sinned and in turn those sacrifices were foreshadows of Jesus once for all time sacrifice for our sins. 

The New Covenant that He instigated would be based on His sacrifice which enables the believer to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit which in turn produces the fruit of a changed life. The New Covenant does not focus on outward religiosity but inward reformation into a new man. We are shown that the people who are accepted by God at Jesus' judgment when  He returns are ministering to the spiritual and physical needs of the least of these. They are formed in love and have understood that we are to follow Jesus' example of selflessness in serving others.

Jesus told the woman at the well that our worship would no longer be contingent on where we worship which would have to include any day. In the New Covenant we become the temple of God and we worship in spirit and truth (Christ). Which means we can worship God and enter into His presence at any time. Worship would no longer be limited by any location or time restraints. It's a New Covenant, New Wine skins, but some people still can't let go of the Old ones.

 

[MrBear]

I listened to a pastor say which I agree with

We don’t follow the Law to create a relationship with God

God already established that relationship with us

But rather we follow to Law to Reflect our relationship with the Father

Psalm16:11

You reveal the path of life to me; 

in Your presence is abundant joy; 

in Your right hand are eternal pleasures

SHALOM❤️

Edited December 9, 2021 by MrBear

[Marathoner]

45 minutes ago, Biblican said:

No human has ever been able to keep God's commandments perfectly only Jesus and He imparts HIs righteousness to us. We are saved by what He did for us not our own ability. When God gave the commandments to Moses He also gave Him the plan for the tabernacle because He knew His people would not be able to keep His word. Before Moses even had a chance to deliver the first set of commandments the Israelites had already broken the first one by worshipping the golden calf. Moses broke the tablets because if you break one commandment you break them all. They built the tabernacle because those sacrifices enabled them to receive forgiveness when they sinned and in turn those sacrifices were foreshadows of Jesus once for all time sacrifice for our sins. 

The New Covenant that He instigated would be based on His sacrifice which enables the believer to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit which in turn produces the fruit of a changed life. The New Covenant does not focus on outward religiosity but inward reformation into a new man. We are shown that the people who are accepted by God at Jesus' judgment when  He returns are ministering to the spiritual and physical needs of the least of these. They are formed in love and have understood that we are to follow Jesus' example of selflessness in serving others.

Jesus told the woman at the well that our worship would no longer be contingent on where we worship which would have to include any day. In the New Covenant we become the temple of God and we worship in spirit and truth (Christ). Which means we can worship God and enter into His presence at any time. Worship would no longer be limited by any location or time restraints. It's a New Covenant, New Wine skins, but some people still can't let go of the Old ones.

 

Amen and well said, sister. The Son of God is our example in all things, for all things are subjected to Him. As He suffered, so do we; He laid down His life for our sake, and so we lay down our lives for the sake of our neighbor whom we love as ourselves. He loved us first, and so we love as well. 

We were drawn to Him by our Father, who had regard for us even when we were dead in our trespasses, which is that lesson of the Law which justifies no one. The new covenant is greater and more excellent than the old covenant, for we have a high priest without spot or blemish, perfect and everlasting: the Son of God Himself. The prophet testified of this in the prophecy of the Psalm as our Father swore, 

The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
(Psalm 110:4 NASB)

Not of Aaron, who perished. The Christ of our Father lives forevermore and He gives us eternal life so we will live in His house forever. This is not given by virtue of the deeds of the Law, which by no means exonerates nor justifies the sinner, but is the gift of God towards us in these bonds.  

The scriptures testify of Christ and the grace of our Father, but there are some who refuse to come to Him. There is no other way.
 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Marathoner

[Biblican]

47 minutes ago, Marathoner said:

Amen and well said, sister. The Son of God is our example in all things, for all things are subjected to Him. As He suffered, so do we; He laid down His life for our sake, and so we lay down our lives for the sake of our neighbor whom we love as ourselves. He loved us first, and so we love as well. 

We were drawn to Him by our Father, who had regard for us even when we were dead in our trespasses, which is that lesson of the Law which justifies no one. The new covenant is greater and more excellent than the old covenant, for we have a high priest without spot or blemish, perfect and everlasting: the Son of God Himself. The prophet testified of this in the prophecy of the Psalm as our Father swore, 

The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
(Psalm 110:4 NASB)

Not of Aaron, who perished. The Christ of our Father lives forevermore and He gives us eternal life so we will live in His house forever. This is not given by virtue of the deeds of the Law, which by no means exonerates nor justifies the sinner, but is the gift of God towards us in these bonds.  

The scriptures testify of Christ and the grace of our Father, but there are some who refuse to come to Him. There is no other way.
 

Well said. Thank you.

[adamjedgar]

So no one here who is of the negative against this topic keeps any commandments? You just live by the spirit right?

 

Which spirit are you being led by and how do you know...by what moral compass are you testing the spirit guidance you apparently are receiving?

How do you read all of the following texts? (Take particular notice of the last one below)

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and remain in His love.

1 John 2:3
By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,

2 John 1:6
And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love

Edited December 9, 2021 by adamjedgar