Who is the Little Horn of Daniel 8? Can this be linked with the Little Horn in Daniel 7?

[truth7t7]

15 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

Now i ask an important question...we need a explanation of what the 4 winds are that stir up the sea. What are they?

Revelation 7:1KJV

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Edited December 28, 2021 by truth7t7

[adamjedgar]

Charlie just said to not go beyond Daniel 7 to explain this...why are you now going straight to Revelation?

In the Bible cannon, i believe it would be ok to use books shown near Daniel...so i instead assert that the prophet Zechariah has some input into this... 

Zechariah 6

 1 Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, four chariots came out from between two mountains. And the mountains were mountains of bronze. 2The first chariot had red horses, the second black horses, 3the third white horses, and the fourth chariot dappled horses—all of them strong.^a 4Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?” 5And the angel answered and said to me, “These are going out to the four winds of heaven, after presenting themselves before the Lord of all the earth.

 

here is a comentary on the four winds that i found by googling the phrase...(havent a clue what demonination this url is or if it agrees with my own...just pasted first thing i found)

The prophet describes four chariots that go "out to the four winds of heaven" (6:5). These "four winds of heaven" likely symbolize creation in its entirety (consider, for example, the "four corners of the globe"). Basically, the vision depicts our Creator's thorough knowledge of all that takes place on earth. He sends His angelic servants forth around the globe so that they can report on what is happening in every place. God is not ignorant of the true state of world affairs; He is sovereign over all. (https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/four-winds-heaven)

 

EDIT...

i found another commentary that believes this actually includes heaven (as opposed to the earth specifically)

 

Charlie you see why this is going to cause a problem now dont you?

Edited December 28, 2021 by adamjedgar

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 7:1KJV

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

First, you went well passed Daniel 7.... straight to Revelation which almost EVERYONE does. Why jump to Revelation before one interprets Daniel.... Let Daniel interpret Daniel... God has given us 3 separate images in 2,7 and 8 to triangulate and identify the 4 kingdoms. 

Today's interpretations of Revelation are partially based on misinterpretations from Daniel. And much of today's interpretations of Daniel are grossly misinterpretations.

Take for example the 'he' in 9:27. I would guess that maybe 85 % of Christians believe this represents the AC. And that interpretation has GROSSLY affected Revelation.  So, if one were to ask me why THEIR Revelation interpretation (based on this AC interpretation) does not agree with one of my interpretations which treats 'he' as 'HE', you can see it is apples and oranges. There can be no reconciliation - that is why I constantly suggest we stay within the chapter (this case 7) to interpret it without any interpretations already sent to Revelation .

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

Charlie just said to not go beyond Daniel 7 to explain this...why are you now going straight to Revelation?

In the Bible cannon, i believe it would be ok to use books shown near Daniel...so i instead assert that the prophet Zechariah has some input into this... 

Zechariah 6

 1 Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, four chariots came out from between two mountains. And the mountains were mountains of bronze. 2The first chariot had red horses, the second black horses, 3the third white horses, and the fourth chariot dappled horses—all of them strong.^a 4Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?” 5And the angel answered and said to me, “These are going out to the four winds of heaven, after presenting themselves before the Lord of all the earth.

 

here is a comentary on the four winds that i found by googling the phrase...(havent a clue what demonination this url is or if it agrees with my own...just pasted first thing i found)

The prophet describes four chariots that go "out to the four winds of heaven" (6:5). These "four winds of heaven" likely symbolize creation in its entirety (consider, for example, the "four corners of the globe"). Basically, the vision depicts our Creator's thorough knowledge of all that takes place on earth. He sends His angelic servants forth around the globe so that they can report on what is happening in every place. God is not ignorant of the true state of world affairs; He is sovereign over all. (https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/four-winds-heaven)

 

EDIT...

i found another commentary that believes this actually includes heaven (as opposed to the earth specifically)

I am not going outside of Daniel 7... please read my post.

[Charlie744]

11 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I am not going outside of Daniel 7... please read my post.

Daniel  7 7“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking [c]pompous words.

I am staying within Daniel 7: (3 separate actors:

1) fourth beast - 

2) ten horns

3) little horn (has eyes like a man and a mouth.

So, who is each of these 3 actors?  And is anyone of them or all of them the same actor as the AC?

Edited December 28, 2021 by Charlie744

[Charlie744]

30 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

Charlie just said to not go beyond Daniel 7 to explain this...why are you now going straight to Revelation?

In the Bible cannon, i believe it would be ok to use books shown near Daniel...so i instead assert that the prophet Zechariah has some input into this... 

Zechariah 6

 1 Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, four chariots came out from between two mountains. And the mountains were mountains of bronze. 2The first chariot had red horses, the second black horses, 3the third white horses, and the fourth chariot dappled horses—all of them strong.^a 4Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?” 5And the angel answered and said to me, “These are going out to the four winds of heaven, after presenting themselves before the Lord of all the earth.

 

here is a comentary on the four winds that i found by googling the phrase...(havent a clue what demonination this url is or if it agrees with my own...just pasted first thing i found)

The prophet describes four chariots that go "out to the four winds of heaven" (6:5). These "four winds of heaven" likely symbolize creation in its entirety (consider, for example, the "four corners of the globe"). Basically, the vision depicts our Creator's thorough knowledge of all that takes place on earth. He sends His angelic servants forth around the globe so that they can report on what is happening in every place. God is not ignorant of the true state of world affairs; He is sovereign over all. (https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/four-winds-heaven)

 

EDIT...

i found another commentary that believes this actually includes heaven (as opposed to the earth specifically)

 

Charlie you see why this is going to cause a problem now dont you?

Sorry Adam, I did not realize the Revelation quote came from Truth.... I thought we were the only two communicating at this time... 

Truth, if you do not want to discuss Daniel 7 and its own interpretation, that is your prerogative, but please do not expect me to respond to you... Your interpretations of Revelation are not what is being discussed ... it is about Daniel 7 and 8. These two very important chapters and their interpretations DETERMINE what moves on to Revelation ... not the other way around. 

Adam, please let me go back now and look at your post re: Zechariah.... Charlie 

[Charlie744]

37 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

Charlie just said to not go beyond Daniel 7 to explain this...why are you now going straight to Revelation?

In the Bible cannon, i believe it would be ok to use books shown near Daniel...so i instead assert that the prophet Zechariah has some input into this... 

Zechariah 6

 1 Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, four chariots came out from between two mountains. And the mountains were mountains of bronze. 2The first chariot had red horses, the second black horses, 3the third white horses, and the fourth chariot dappled horses—all of them strong.^a 4Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?” 5And the angel answered and said to me, “These are going out to the four winds of heaven, after presenting themselves before the Lord of all the earth.

 

here is a comentary on the four winds that i found by googling the phrase...(havent a clue what demonination this url is or if it agrees with my own...just pasted first thing i found)

The prophet describes four chariots that go "out to the four winds of heaven" (6:5). These "four winds of heaven" likely symbolize creation in its entirety (consider, for example, the "four corners of the globe"). Basically, the vision depicts our Creator's thorough knowledge of all that takes place on earth. He sends His angelic servants forth around the globe so that they can report on what is happening in every place. God is not ignorant of the true state of world affairs; He is sovereign over all. (https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/four-winds-heaven)

 

EDIT...

i found another commentary that believes this actually includes heaven (as opposed to the earth specifically)

 

Charlie you see why this is going to cause a problem now dont you?

Ok, if I understand why you have brought these verses into Daniel is because of the 'four winds' metaphor, and if I remember right, the four winds are mentioned in Daniel 11? 

 

[adamjedgar]

No because they are in Daniel 7.

We have to explain everything in chapter 7 first.

[Charlie744]

17 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Sorry Adam, I did not realize the Revelation quote came from Truth.... I thought we were the only two communicating at this time... 

Truth, if you do not want to discuss Daniel 7 and its own interpretation, that is your prerogative, but please do not expect me to respond to you... Your interpretations of Revelation are not what is being discussed ... it is about Daniel 7 and 8. These two very important chapters and their interpretations DETERMINE what moves on to Revelation ... not the other way around. 

Adam, please let me go back now and look at your post re: Zechariah.... Charlie 

@truth7t7 and @adamjedgar  Please accept my sincere apologies for the above comment....... Truth - your recent comment above brought me right back to last week's discussion when I attempted to ask you to 'just' consider Daniel (only) at least 3 times and you refused to respond with anything other than your Revelation interpretations. And where you mentioned repeatedly that the 'bad guy' (AC) was the same individual in 2,7,8,9, 11 and in Revelation.... and most likely also the same one in The Three Musketeers, Little Red Riding Hood, and Star Wars, etc., (just kidding of course, but that is how it comes across). Each one of these actors has a very specific role to play in God's Plan of Salvation for mankind and He is presenting them individually to us in Daniel (He is even willing to color code each of the four kingdoms for us and to ensure we don't color outside the lines, He specifically places thick black lines between each kingdom so we stay within those boundaries).

I guarantee you will see a very different set of interpretations of Daniel if you would allow yourself to look only within Daniel (for now). Please offer your thoughts on Daniel ...if you would like... Charlie

[Charlie744]

4 minutes ago, adamjedgar said:

No because they are in Daniel 7.

We have to explain everything in chapter 7 first.

 

Sorry Adam, I was past the first 2 verses.... 

2Daniel spoke, saying, “I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea. 3And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other. 4The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings.

If I am correct, the 4 winds of heaven is NOT an uncommon phrase in the Scriptures and conveys the 4 corners of the world... N, S, E, W kind of thing. Sea equates to peoples of all nations, languages, etc.,

Therefore, out of the known world, from all nations, etc., there will come 4 kingdoms....

Is this causing you a concern .. please let me understand how you are seeing this.. thanks, Charlie