Scott Free Posted December 12, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) The term "soul" has been completely convoluted by society and has become a synonym to mean whatever we want. Instead of understanding "soul" as the immaterial spiritual component of a person, the soul is to be understood in the Bible as a living and breathing, God-created, embodied person with a distinct personality. The Hebrew noun nephesh(soul) does not denote a ghostly, insubstantial element of a human individual, but rather the condition of being alive. Something that is alive does not have a soul, but is a soul. "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Hebrews 4:12 "It is generally accepted that in biblical thought there is no separation of body and soul and, consequently, the resurrection of the body is central. The idea of an immortal soul is not a Hebrew concept but comes from Platonic philosophy. It is, therefore, considered a severe distortion of the NT to read this foreign idea into its teaching.", Vogels, "Review of "The Garden of Eden and the Hope of Immortality", by James Barr", Critical Review of Books in Religion, volume 7, p. 80 (1994). "Indeed, the salvation of the 'immortal soul' has sometimes been a commonplace in preaching, but it is fundamentally unbiblical. Biblical anthropology is not dualistic but monistic: human being consists in the integrated wholeness of body and soul, and the Bible never contemplates the disembodied existence of the soul in bliss.", Myers (ed.), "The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary", p. 518 (1987). "A broad consensus emerged among biblical and theological scholars that soul-body dualism is a Platonic, Hellenistic idea that is not found anywhere in the Bible. The Bible, from cover to cover, promotes what they call the "Hebrew concept of the whole person." G. C. Berkouwer writes that the biblical view is always holistic, that in the Bible the soul is never ascribed any special religious significance. Werner Jaeger writes that soul-body dualism is a bizarre idea that has been read into the Bible by misguided church fathers such as Augustine. Rudolf Bultmann writes that Paul uses the word soma (body) to refer to the whole person, the self, so that there is not a soul and body, but rather the body is the whole thing. This interpretation of Pauline anthropology has been a theme in much subsequent Pauline scholarship.", McMinn & Phillips, "Care for the soul: exploring the intersection of psychology & theology", pp. 107-108 (2001) "That the idea of the soul's immortality as disembodied state beyond death is not popular amongst Christian theologians or among Christian philosophers today has already been acknowledged.", Hebblethwaite, "Philosophical theology and Christian doctrine", p. 113 (2005). "The Bible tells us that we are spirit, soul and body (I Thess. 5:23). The SOUL is made up of MIND, WILL and EMOTIONS. The "natural man" is governed ONLY by his soul and bodily appetites, because he is spiritually dead (I Cor. 2:14; Eph. 2:1-5). We, as born-again Christians, have been made spiritually alive, and we are supposed to be governed and controlled by the HOLY SPIRIT and our own born-again SPIRIT, which is created in the image of God (Eph. 4:17-24 calls it the "new man"). We are NOT supposed to be controlled by our SOUL. Our soul, which includes our EMOTIONS, is UNRELIABLE, we must not trust it." ,Love Lifted Me Recovery Ministries, "Spirit, Soul, and Body - Mind, Will, and Emotions" Edited January 13, 2022 by Scott Free syntax correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 12, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,400 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,575 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 Thess 5:23 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. KJV 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray12614 Posted December 12, 2021 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 670 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 753 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/22/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 12, 2021 Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted December 13, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 21 hours ago, enoob57 said: 1 Thess 5:23 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. KJV When the word "psyche" is translated into soul in the Bible it is not being used in a dualistic way. The meaning is still faithful to the Hebrew definition of "nephesh." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie744 Posted December 13, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,690 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 862 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 13, 2021 22 hours ago, enoob57 said: 1 Thess 5:23 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. KJV @enoob57, if you do not mind, would you please tell me the make up of these three components? I assume you believe in a 2 part construction of man... spirit, soul and the body. Obviously even I understand the 'body' component but what specifically is the 'spirit' and the 'soul' components and their function of purpose? Further, when we die what happens to each one of them? Thanks so much, Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 13, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,400 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,575 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Charlie744 said: if you do not mind, would you please tell me the make up of these three components? I assume you believe in a 2 part construction of man... spirit, soul and the body. The Bible gives three distinct divisions of the makeup of man: 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 13, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,400 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,575 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Scott Free said: When the word "psyche" is translated into soul in the Bible it is not being used in a dualistic way. The meaning is still faithful to the Hebrew definition of "nephesh." Paul was guided by The Holy Spirit and he listed them distinct and separate... as I believe in a every word inspiration of the Word of God 'verbal plenary' ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie744 Posted December 13, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,690 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 862 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, enoob57 said: The Bible gives three distinct divisions of the makeup of man: Thanks, I just saw a mistake in my earlier message to you... it should have read a ‘3 part’ not a 2 part. But you answered it anyway. So what happens to each of the 3 parts at death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 13, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,400 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,575 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, Charlie744 said: Thanks, I just saw a mistake in my earlier message to you... it should have read a ‘3 part’ not a 2 part. But you answered it anyway. So what happens to each of the 3 parts at death? With what God has given us in His Word it is very difficult to come to any conclusions of when new body is given but we are also given final outcome and this is why I like these folks answer: What happens after death? | GotQuestions.org However the aspect of where the new body is formed from is in question for me because Jude says this Jude 23 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. KJV this makes me lean to the fact our bodies will be of the new earth where sin has never been nor even considered... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie744 Posted December 13, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,690 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 862 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, enoob57 said: With what God has given us in His Word it is very difficult to come to any conclusions of when new body is given but we are also given final outcome and this is why I like these folks answer: What happens after death? | GotQuestions.org Thanks again for the prompt response! Just read that opinion... hope you do not mind me saying it but that is a really terrible response. Tries to cover almost all possible theories and really says nothing... confusion. Let me try this a different way if you do not mind and I would ask if I can have your own thoughts: what is the makeup of a man? How are we created by God? Shouldn’t that be our starting point to determine what happens at death AND then what will happen at the resurrection? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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