Jerusalem Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great Of Revelation Chapter 17

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2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jesus coming as seen below took place in 70AD, but he came in "Spirit" and nobody actually witnessed the event with their eyes "They Shall See"?

When someone explains something to you, and you understand, then you might say, "I see", what you are saying, "I understand" what you are saying.

In this instance, when the ones who rejected Jesus "see" Jerusalem falling with their eyes, then they will understand that Jesus was the Messiah.  

 

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

After the troubled times of the 70 AD desolation, the "great" tribulation will begin.

70 AD- 1967. 

During the time after the desolation of Jerusalem and the temple, God's guiding light (understanding) of the scriptures will be diminished.

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The sign of the coming for salvation is the restoration of Jerusalem to the control of Israel.

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2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

 

Rev 17, John wrote that 5 heads have fallen, who are they?

John wrote that the 6th head "is", who is the 6th head?

 

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2 hours ago, abcdef said:

These are labels for putting people in boxes.

There is more to being a preterist that you have suggested here.

 

So everything that a preterist says is automatically wrong? Because they are a preterist?

Preterists believe that Jesus died and was resurrected, is that wrong?

Maybe some of the things that they believe are right, yes?

 

The abomination that is spoken of is the rejection of the Pentecost gospel kingdom by Israel.

This led to the destruction of Israel and Jerusalem in the 70 AD time period.

 

The "great" tribulation lasted from 70 AD until 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to the control of Israel, ending the times of the gentiles Lk 21:20-24, 24.

 

 

Future

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Actually, there is really no such thing as a "partial preterist".

A person is either a preterist or not a preterist.

"Partial preterist" is just a label so that some can automatically reject anything that is said, without considering the substance of the statement.

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As stated you are a "Partial Preterist" you believe Daniel's abomination of desolation and the great tribulation have been fulfilled "Fact"

Just as I'm a "Futurist" and believe that none of the 3 items mentioned are fulfilled "Fact"

Edited February 1, 2022 by truth7t7

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2 hours ago, abcdef said:

Rev 17, John wrote that 5 heads have fallen, who are they?

John wrote that the 6th head "is", who is the 6th head?

 

No need to guess who kings are "The Beast" is related to going into "Perdition", 2 Thessalonians 2:3 clearly explains (The Son Of Perdition)

(The Beast) and (Man Of Sin) are the same human bad guy that's known as (The Antichrist), scripture interprets itself, it's that simple

Revelation 17:8KJV

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV

 

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Edited February 1, 2022 by truth7t7

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2 hours ago, abcdef said:

The covenant confirmed is not a covenant that is only 7 years.

The confirmation is about a covenant (with Israel) that was already in place.

Gal 3:17, states that Jesus confirmed the covenant.

Did Jesus confirm the covenant or not? You say no?

The rejection of the covenant resulted in the desolation of the temple and Jerusalem.

I Strongly Disagree,We Have Exhausted This Subject, The Horse Is Dead

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2 hours ago, abcdef said:

Antiochus the Greek.

Again, Dan 11:2, States that the passage is about Persia and Greece ruling over Jerusalem and the children of Israel.

This time period is shown in the statue of Dan 2 as the silver to brass period.

Future to Daniel, but past to us.

We Strongly Disagree, This Subject Has Been Covered, The Horse Is Dead

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2 hours ago, abcdef said:

When someone explains something to you, and you understand, then you might say, "I see", what you are saying, "I understand" what you are saying.

In this instance, when the ones who rejected Jesus "see" Jerusalem falling with their eyes, then they will understand that Jesus was the Messiah.  

 

After the troubled times of the 70 AD desolation, the "great" tribulation will begin.

70 AD- 1967. 

During the time after the desolation of Jerusalem and the temple, God's guiding light (understanding) of the scriptures will be diminished.

The sign of the coming for salvation is the restoration of Jerusalem to the control of Israel.

I Strongly disagree with your symbolic representation

Matthew 24:29-30 will be the "literal future" second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, and this will be witnessed by human eyes on earth

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Edited February 1, 2022 by truth7t7

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33 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

No need to guess who kings are "The Beast" is related to going into "Perdition", 2 Thessalonians 2:3 clearly explains (The Son Of Perdition)

(The Beast) and (Man Of Sin) are the same human bad guy that's known as (The Antichrist), scripture interprets itself, it's that simple

Revelation 17:8KJV

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV

 

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

So, the beast, has seven heads, but you cannot explain who or what the heads are.

You can't explain who the 5 heads are that have fallen when John wrote the Revelation.

You can't tell who the 6th head is, that John said "is" at his time.

It seems that you can't explain them because if you did, they would contradict your belief.

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Rev 17, We agree that the woman riding the beast is Jerusalem.

Was the woman riding the beast when John wrote the Revelation? (5 have fallen)

John was taken to the wilderness to see the woman riding the beast in the 85-96 AD time period.

At that time the 6th head "is".

Who is the 6th head?

Can you answer?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, abcdef said:

So, the beast, has seven heads, but you cannot explain who or what the heads are.

You can't explain who the 5 heads are that have fallen when John wrote the Revelation.

You can't tell who the 6th head is, that John said "is" at his time.

It seems that you can't explain them because if you did, they would contradict your belief.

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Rev 17, We agree that the woman riding the beast is Jerusalem.

Was the woman riding the beast when John wrote the Revelation? (5 have fallen)

John was taken to the wilderness to see the woman riding the beast in the 85-96 AD time period.

At that time the 6th head "is".

Who is the 6th head?

Can you answer?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You gave complete disregard to scripture that interprets scripture "Why"?

No need to guess who kings are "The Beast" is related to going into "Perdition", 2 Thessalonians 2:3 clearly explains (The Son Of Perdition)

(The Beast) and (Man Of Sin) are the same human bad guy that's known as (The Antichrist), scripture interprets itself, it's that simple

Revelation 17:8KJV

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

You gave complete disregard to scripture that interprets scripture "Why"?

No need to guess who kings are "The Beast" is related to going into "Perdition", 2 Thessalonians 2:3 clearly explains (The Son Of Perdition)

(The Beast) and (Man Of Sin) are the same human bad guy that's known as (The Antichrist), scripture interprets itself, it's that simple

Revelation 17:8KJV

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

You can't answer the questions? 

Ok.

I can see that you really don't know. Too bad.