The First Resurrection, On The Last Day Explained?

[AdHoc]

3 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Here it is stated that the resurrection of the dead in Christ will take place at the coming of the Lord, and not before it, nor after it.

But when it was asked if this resurrection of the dead in Christ would take place at the coming of the Lord that is shown to occur immediately after the tribulation of those days in Matthew 24: 29-31, it was said, 'No. Not quite.'

Yes. The reference you gave is Christ REVEALED to every eye over Judea, not Christ as a THIEF for the Church. The coming as a THIEF is before the Tribulation. The coming as lightening is "AFTER the Tribulation of those days".

 

3 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Are you saying that 1 Thess. 4 is a pre-tribulation event?

Yes. See 5:9.

[transmogrified]

On 1/5/2022 at 3:52 PM, AdHoc said:

Verse 14 states that the dead will come with Christ when He returns to earth (see Rev.19, Jude 14)

  Does Jesus return to the earth in 1 Thess. 4:14?   

[AdHoc]

1 minute ago, transmogrified said:

  Does Jesus return to the earth in 1 Thess. 4:14?   

He is in the clouds - the air. He has "descended" from heaven. He continues His journey to earth after the rapture of 1st Thessalonians 4 and once He has finished judging the Church in the air.

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Any body who believes in Jesus Christ and who dies is "the dead in Christ". The resurrection of Moses, who believed in Jesus (Deut.18:18), the resurrection of those in Matthew 27:53, and the resurrection of those at the last trumpet in 1st Thessalonians 4 are the dead in Christ.

Is Moses the only Old Testament saint who will be included in the dead in Christ that will be resurrected in 1 Thess. 4?

[transmogrified]

Hi Adhoc...

Good to talk with you.

One of the foundational principles of the doctrine of Christ listed in Hebrews 6 is the resurrection of the dead.

As we have said, no one knows the day or the hour, but we do know from 1 Thess. 4 that the resurrection of the dead in Christ must happen before the rapture.

Jesus said in John 6 that 'everyone who sees the Son and believes on him he will raise him up at the last day.'

Paul said the same thing that 'we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump.

 

There cannot then be a resurrection of the 'dead in Christ' before the tribulation and then another resurrection for 'everyone who sees the Son and believes on him,' at the last day, because these are the same people.  

1 Thess. 4 'the dead in Christ' are resurrected

John 6: 40 'all that see the Son and believe on him' are resurrected

1 Cor. 15: 51 'We shall all be changed...'

These are all the same people as you have said: 

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Any body who believes in Jesus Christ and who dies is "the dead in Christ".

Knowing that Jesus said the resurrection of all the believers would take place on the last day and knowing that Paul specifically stated the resurrection of the dead in Christ must happen before the rapture, there can be no rapture before the last day.