A Prewrath Rapture question

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13 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

I'm claiming Revelation 20:1-6 dosent represent a Millennial Kingdom on this earth for 1,000 years at the return of Jesus Christ, its very simple and easy to understand 

The 1,000 years is taking place in the Lords spiritual realm, 1,000 isnt literal but is an expression of a long period of time

Right...I was just wondering what was the significance of saying  all the things you listed were 100% spiritual...what does that have to do with 1000 years meaning a long period of time and not a literal 1000 years?

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10 minutes ago, transmogrified said:

Right...I was just wondering what was the significance of saying  all the things you listed were 100% spiritual...what does that have to do with 1000 years meaning a long period of time and not a literal 1000 years?

Is God sitting and looking at a time clock on his throne in heaven "No" there is no literal earthly time in the Lords spiritual, he is the Alpha/Omega he sees the beginning and the end, he is outside of earthly time, "Eternal"

That seen in Revelation 20:1-6 is in the Lords "Eternal" spiritual realm and not on this earth

1,000 years is a day, and a day is a 1,000 years to the Lord, he is "Eternal" and outside of time

They could have written a billion or trillion years, its not literal, a figure of speech written to convey Gods eternal to the human mind, and 1,000 was a big number when the Revelation was written nearly 2,000 years ago

I have been very slow in my explanation, and it's simple and very easy to understand

Edited January 24, 2022 by truth7t7

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36 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Is God sitting and looking at a time clock on his throne in heaven "No" there is no literal earthly time in the Lords spiritual, he is the Alpha/Omega he sees the beginning and the end, he is outside of earthly time, "Eternal"

That seen in Revelation 20:1-6 is in the Lords "Eternal" spiritual realm and not on this earth

1,000 years is a day, and a day is a 1,000 years to the Lord, he is "Eternal" and outside of time

They could have written a billion or trillion years, its not literal, a figure of speech written to convey Gods eternal to the human mind, and 1,000 was a big number when the Revelation was written nearly 2,000 years ago

I have been very slow in my explanation, and it's simple and very easy to understand

Thank you for taking the time to describe your belief that 1000 years does not mean a literal 1000 years. I understand what you are saying. 

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That seen in Revelation 20:1-6 is in the Lords "Eternal" spiritual realm and not on this earth

Is it just this portion of scripture that is outside of literal earthly time? 

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5 minutes ago, transmogrified said:

Is it just this portion of scripture that is outside of literal earthly time? 

There are many references in the bible to the Lords eternal, Revelation 20:1-6 is just one mention

Edited January 24, 2022 by truth7t7

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4 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

9 minutes ago, transmogrified said:

Is it just this portion of scripture that is outside of literal earthly time? 

There are many references in the bible to the Lords eternal, Revelation 20:1-6 is just one of many

So if there are many references to the Lords eternal which is outside of literal earthly time, would that mean that some references in the bible would be literal earthly time?

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21 minutes ago, Da Puppers said:

Those souls seen with the opening of the 5th Seal are seen beneath the altar,  which I believe sits on the sea of glass.   I.e., they too are beneath the crystal sea.   An important point here is that they have white robes.   And so does the great multitude found in Rev 7:9ff.  But they are there after the opening of the 6th Seal,  which is when the dead in Christ shall rise WITH CHRIST,  going to the Father.   But they (of Rev 7) are before the throne and no longer beneath the altar and/or the crystal sea.   To be continued,  shortly...

Hello Da Puppers-

    I think you believe that we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, which is the 7th Trumpet in Rev that happens on the last day. 

Job 14:12 said 'So man lies down and rises not (resurrection) until the heavens be no more (6th seal when the heavens are rolled back like a scroll) then no one has been resurrected at the 5th seal, which would mean the 'souls under the altar' in Rev. 6:9 would not mean that these people who were killed by the beast were literally crying out to God saying 'how long oh Lord will you not avenge our blood...' and it would have to be a vision format. So John did indeed see this, but seeing that the resurrection had not yet taken place they could not have been literally been doing it as they were asleep. 

Similar to when they saw Moses and Elijah on the mountain...at first reading it sounds like they were literally there talking with Jesus, but after ward Jesus told them to tell the vision to no man until after Jesus was resurrected. In other words, Moses and Elijah were not really there because they were sleeping in the dust of the earth and the resurrection had not yet taken place and what they were seeing was only a vision.

The latter part of Job 14:12 says, '...till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.'  So if Rev. is showing them awake and raised from their sleep it cannot be literal.  

  

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56 minutes ago, transmogrified said:

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

1 hour ago, transmogrified said:

Is it just this portion of scripture that is outside of literal earthly time? 

There are many references in the bible to the Lords eternal, Revelation 20:1-6 is just one of many

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So if there are many references to the Lords eternal which is outside of literal earthly time, would that mean that some references in the bible would be literal earthly time?

Sorry for asking a redundant question...I am sure you don't think every number in the bible is figurative ...I was wondering how it was that you came to think 1000 was somehow figurative of something, when other number in prophetic contexts are literal.

Does the beast reign for 42 literal months?

Were men tormented 5 literal months?

Do the prophets lie in the street for literally 3. 5 days?

 

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4 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

I covered in detail in my previous post why they are not resurrected until the 7th Trumpet sounds. 

 

I don't seem to be able to find your comments in one of your previous posts on why they are not resurrected until the 7th trumpet sounds...could you send that to me please? Thank you

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7 hours ago, transmogrified said:

So if there are many references to the Lords eternal which is outside of literal earthly time, would that mean that some references in the bible would be literal earthly time?

I have explained my position "several times" your questions are now redundant

Edited January 25, 2022 by truth7t7

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6 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Sorry for asking a redundant question...I am sure you don't think every number in the bible is figurative ...I was wondering how it was that you came to think 1000 was somehow figurative of something, when other number in prophetic contexts are literal.

Does the beast reign for 42 literal months?

Were men tormented 5 literal months?

Do the prophets lie in the street for literally 3. 5 days?

 

Yes the figures you mention are in the realm of earth and it's time

Yes Revelation 13 A future human man (The Beast) that will be given 42 literal months on this earth

Yes Revelation 9:4-6 literal Humans on this earth being tormented for 5 literal months

Yes Revelation 11 Prophets returned to this earth, with literal bodies that die and lay in a literal street in Jerusalem for 3.5 literal days

Edited January 25, 2022 by truth7t7