Revelation 10

[truth7t7]

11 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Short period of time?  Time from God's perspective:

• But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Has that fact escaped your notice?

 2 Peter 3:8 below is explaining nothing more than there is no "literal earthly time" in the Lords eternal spiritual realm, be not ignorant 

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Edited January 8, 2022 by truth7t7

[Last Daze]

42 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Would you mind elaborating upon that a little more?

Am I correct in assuming you acknowledge the "last days" began during the New Testament era? If I have that correct then, from your point of view, the last days began way back then but have continued on and persist even through today. Do I have that correct? 

If so, then would you mind elaborating? Perhaps tell me what the "last days" reference (the last days of what?), how we might know they did not end some point in the past, what scriptures inform us to that conclusion, etc. 

thx

Yes, it's based on Peter's declaration in Acts 2 that what Joel prophesied was coming true (Acts 2:17-21).  Joel stated that the last days precede the day of the Lord.

[JoeCanada]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Would you mind elaborating upon that a little more?

Am I correct in assuming you acknowledge the "last days" began during the New Testament era? If I have that correct then, from your point of view, the last days began way back then but have continued on and persist even through today. Do I have that correct? 

 

If so, then would you mind elaborating? Perhaps tell me what the "last days" reference (the last days of what?), how we might know they did not end some point in the past, what scriptures inform us to that conclusion, etc. 

thx

Hi Josheb,

Hebrews 1:1-2

"God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world."

 Psa 90:4

For a thousand years in Your sight
Are like yesterday when it passes by,
Or as a watch in the night.

2Pe 3:8

But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

All 3 of these scriptures show how God references time.

Gen 2:17 : " for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

Here is God telling Adam that he will die the day he eats of the fruit. Adam lived 930 years. So he died "in the day"....

 

[Last Daze]

21 hours ago, Josheb said:

1 Peter 4:7
"The end of all things is at hand; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer."

There is not a single place in the Bible where "at hand" (Gk.: en gys) or "near" means "2000 years or more". The last days and the ends of the ages had come. 

It's pretty obvious that not all things ended in the first century.  You're here.  I'm here.  The old earth is still here.  Peter is referring to the day of the Lord:

• But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be discovered. 2 Peter 3:10

Now that sounds like the end of all things.  That has not happened yet.  The great tribulation spoken of by Jesus and Daniel has not happened yet.  There is much prophesied yet to be fulfilled.

God does not view time as we do.  We are still in the last days.  Joel connected the last days to the day of the Lord.  There's a reason.

[Last Daze]

30 minutes ago, Josheb said:

If scripture told you "all things are ending right now," would you believe wat is written?

Or would you try to find something elsewhere in scripture so as to believe something else?

It has to make sense.  All things did not end in the first century.  The end of all things, the last days, began in the first century. Our perspective of time is not the same as God's.  Peter makes a point of clarifying that.  Why do you think he said the following:

• But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 2 Peter 3:8

Things can be completed from God's perspective, but take time to be realized for those of us confined to time.  For example:

• And raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.  Ephesians 2:6

A done deal from God's perspective but something we've yet to fully realize.

Again, Joel ties the last days to the day of the Lord, a future event.

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Does scripture have to make sense for you to believe it, that is for you to believe what is written as written?

Yes, I believe all scripture.  I've explained how I understand it.  Some things aren't as easy as yes/no and need an explanation.  Ask Nicodemus.  If you see it differently than me then fine.  I've got no problem with that.  

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

Tell me also what the "last days" reference (the last days of what?).

"The last days" refers to the final days of Satan exercising dominion.  He lost dominion when Christ died and rose again but is still allowed his place for now.  When Jesus returns, Satan's kingdom is destroyed.  After the millennium is the end of all things, when there's a new heaven and earth.  That's how I see it.

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2 hours ago, Josheb said:

That is not an answer to my question. I asked a very specific conditional question. With each post a portion of my inqury(-ies) gets answered but I'm getting partial answers that end up creating a half-conversation that is increasingly an exposition of things on you mind that are further and further from my inquiries. In this case, I did not ask if all things had happened. I asked, "If scripture told you 'all things are ending right now,' would you believe wat is written, or would you try to find something elsewhere in scripture so as to believe something else?" 

Sorry you see it that way.  I don't, and don't care to continue in that spirit.

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, Last Daze said:

After the millennium is the end of all things, when there's a new heaven and earth.  That's how I see it.

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Sorry you see it that way.  I don't, and don't care to continue in that spirit.

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time On This Earth

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, Last Daze said:

After the millennium is the end of all things, when there's a new heaven and earth.  That's how I see it.

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Sorry you see it that way.  I don't, and don't care to continue in that spirit.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, Last Daze said:

After the millennium is the end of all things, when there's a new heaven and earth.  That's how I see it.

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Sorry you see it that way.  I don't, and don't care to continue in that spirit.

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ, that will never take place

(Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

Afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

[Wayne222]

The mystery of God is that the gentiles would be grafted to Isarel. That the world non Jewish would be saved through faith.